Ever Fancied a Gimball Head...?

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Like most people who get into wildlife or aviation photography, and after acquiring a reasonably sized/heavy zoom lens, thoughts soon turn to supporting the thing.

One thing I've learnt over the last few years is that even a 300mm lens needs proper support if you're going to get results anywhere near what we all lust over on the picture forums...

So, I started researching Gimball heads etc and sat down to price up what I'd need. So, after selecting a sidekick, arca swiss ballhead, and a lens plate, I was soon up to about £600, and that's without buying a decent set of tripod legs!

I don't know about anybody else, but I do baulk a little at paying that kind of money for a head, especially when for the same cash I can get a Nikon 105mm VR Macro lens! I understand the importance of a good support though, so thought I'd go and have a look on ebay.

A quick search soon found a company in India churning out what can only be described as Wimberley Sidekick clones, but without the need for a ballhead as it's all one piece and screws onto your existing tripod legs. A couple of adaptors were supplied to fit 1/4 or 3/8 fittings.

So, for approx £93 delivered (including the lens plate), I thought I'd give one a go. The worst case scenario was that it would be a pile of rubbish and that I'd only end up going out and buying a Wimberley setup anyway, but for the cash I thought it was worth a punt.

So, after about a week, the head turned up yesterday and I've set it up and had a play around with it, so thought I'd share a few pics/comments with you guys in case any of you were thinking along similar lines. (Excuse the pics, I received a Fuji S5 Pro in the post this morning too for a try out, so thought this was as good an excuse as any, but I don't know my way around it yet!)

First up, the finish is not anywhere near as good as the Wimberley stuff, but then I guess this is why they are priced as they are. It's a powder coated finish that looks pretty tough, but clearly the metal underneath isn't all that nicely finished. My view on this is that as long as it does the job, I will forgive it the aesthetics!

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The longest/heaviest lens I have at the moment is a Nikon 300mm f4, which is pictured below with a 2x converter. With the lens plate pushed all the way forward in the clamp, it balances as shown, and you can move the camera/lens very easily with the two knobs backed off. The action is really quite smooth, which surprised me. The body is a D300 with grip/AA's, so probably as heavy as you're going to get body wise, but with the grip removed you can slide the lens plate further back to balance it out.

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The next shot is a close up of the lens clamp/lens plate assembly. It looks worse than it is due to harsh flash/dust, but it's really to show that it does all fit together nicely. The lens plate has two additional allen bolts that stop the lens plate sliding all the way out of the clamp forwards or backwards, but it's basically a clone of the Wimberley plate, albeit a less well finished one.

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The whole setup is quite solid, and I have to say I'm quite impressed. The two big round tension knobs are smooth in use, and they also only wind out so far that there is no chance of you detaching the lens clamp and crashing your kit to the ground. Once you find the balance point, it works just the same as a Wimberley Sidekick setup.

It has actually revealed the limitations of my tripod legs, as they are the only thing that flexes/wobbles now! So, a good set of legs are my next purchase.

This is not meant as an advertorial, and I have no connection with the company concerned, it's just that I see lots of discussion on heads of this sort and I thought this would help some people make up their mind, and perhaps be reassured that alternative lower cost solutions exist.

I have no idea how long this head will last, it may fall apart after 6 months occassional use, but I will report back if that happens! Looking at its construction, and the simple and proven tech involved (ie clamps/screws/bolts/welds) I don't fear that will happen.

I have no idea of any copyright issues involved with this, as although it is like a sidekick, it is different, and I'm not sure if it's possible to patent such a relatively simple device anyway, certainly outside the US. I'll leave the ethics of that one up to you guys, so please take this as the helpful post it was intended to be! :)
 
lol, it certainly looks rough and ready, but if it does the job - who cares?

The american stuff is very very good, simply because its all machined out of huge chunks of billet aluminium, or forged, and although you pay for it - the quality is the highest. I've got the wimberley mark 2, and it just withstands everything I chuck at it.. be it sideways sand and sleet, baked on gannet crap, being chucked in the bag - no problem.

At £500 for a mkII, it is a disgusting price for what it is, I bought mine because I could at the time and I got some discount on my tripod at the same time. If I wasn't using a 600 F4 I wouldn't have bothered, as with what is now £7ks worth of glass, I don't really want to skimp on support!

To be honest, if you were on a budget and wanted really good support, it would be viable to spend the money on the tripod, and go for the cheaper but perfectly decent Manfrotto gimble head, which I think is only around £100.


You getting up to much these days, been out anywhere recently?
 
Another cheaper option is the one I went for; The Manfrotto 393 Gimbal head. Picked mine up for under £100 with 2 lens plates. Unfortunately this one is quite heavy and bulky and doesn't use Arca Swiss type plates.

I am however soon to replace this setup as I want to replace my landscape head from a Manfrotto 322RC2 to a RRS BH-55. The 322RC2 simply isn't strong or accurate enough for my liking, so it is getting switched for a top end ball head. My thinking being that I can also use a long lens for wildlife/sport on a ballhead if needed. The problem now though is that the BH-55 uses Arca swiss plates and the Manfrotto uses manfrotto plates, so I will want to replace my gimbal head as well. As I am starting to worry about weight and portability, I'm leaning towards a sidekick as it will allow me to use the RRS for landscapes, and quickly adapt it to a gimbal setup. It will cost a load, but im sure it will last me years and years to come, especially as i am already very pleased with my Gitzo 3540XLS legs. :)
 
lol, it certainly looks rough and ready, but if it does the job - who cares?

The american stuff is very very good, simply because its all machined out of huge chunks of billet aluminium, or forged, and although you pay for it - the quality is the highest. I've got the wimberley mark 2, and it just withstands everything I chuck at it.. be it sideways sand and sleet, baked on gannet crap, being chucked in the bag - no problem.

At £500 for a mkII, it is a disgusting price for what it is, I bought mine because I could at the time and I got some discount on my tripod at the same time. If I wasn't using a 600 F4 I wouldn't have bothered, as with what is now £7ks worth of glass, I don't really want to skimp on support!

To be honest, if you were on a budget and wanted really good support, it would be viable to spend the money on the tripod, and go for the cheaper but perfectly decent Manfrotto gimble head, which I think is only around £100.


You getting up to much these days, been out anywhere recently?

Hi Tim,

Yes, that Manfrotto was the one I had my eye on until I noticed this, and as I was a bit worried about the bulk of the Manfrotto, I thought I'd try it.

To be fair, I'm not saying the Wimberley stuff is way overpriced for what it is, but I think it is a little! The proof of the pudding will be as you say when this one gets covered in sand and then thrown in the bag afterwards! I wonder how smooth it will be then?! It shouldn't be that hard to keep clean and lubricated though, so I'll see how it goes. I think the guy who makes them recommends nothing bigger than a 300 f2.8 on it, so I agree that you need something bigger for a 600 f4, but then Wimberley say the same IIRC.

I've seen the Wimberley kit in the flesh, and I agree it's beautifully finished, but I suppose everything gets scratched in the end and I'd be happier scratching this one! :)

It's good to see a couple of cheaper options appearing for the more budget conscious (ie tight in my case!) though.

I've been out and about a bit in my usual Owl spots recently, but aviation has got me hooked at the minute. Although I haven't been able to get back to Cad yet, I did a couple of sessions in the Lake District, and can often be found hanging around Coningsby and Waddington at the moment to look for what is coming and going. Just got myself an airwave scanner too, I'm turning into a bit of a sad spotter I think!! LOL!

What about you?
 
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Another cheaper option is the one I went for; The Manfrotto 393 Gimbal head. Picked mine up for under £100 with 2 lens plates. Unfortunately this one is quite heavy and bulky and doesn't use Arca Swiss type plates.

I am however soon to replace this setup as I want to replace my landscape head from a Manfrotto 322RC2 to a RRS BH-55. The 322RC2 simply isn't strong or accurate enough for my liking, so it is getting switched for a top end ball head. My thinking being that I can also use a long lens for wildlife/sport on a ballhead if needed. The problem now though is that the BH-55 uses Arca swiss plates and the Manfrotto uses manfrotto plates, so I will want to replace my gimbal head as well. As I am starting to worry about weight and portability, I'm leaning towards a sidekick as it will allow me to use the RRS for landscapes, and quickly adapt it to a gimbal setup. It will cost a load, but im sure it will last me years and years to come, especially as i am already very pleased with my Gitzo 3540XLS legs. :)

It's a bit of a confusing minefield really this head/plate business!

If I hadn't already got a decent ball head for my landscape stuff, then I would have gone for the Sidekick too I think, but my current ballhead isn't an Arca Swiss type, and although you can get adaptors for it, guess what, they cost a fortune too!

I'll check out those Gitzo legs of yours seeing as you're pleased with them, as that's my next purchase really and I know you can't skimp on those! :D
 
I am however soon to replace this setup as I want to replace my landscape head from a Manfrotto 322RC2 to a RRS BH-55. The 322RC2 simply isn't strong or accurate enough for my liking, so it is getting switched for a top end ball head. My thinking being that I can also use a long lens for wildlife/sport on a ballhead if needed.

I looked at the BH-55 but gave up trying to get it as its a right pain, although I did miss one on Ebay, in the end I went for an Arca Swiss Z1 DP which i've been very happy with.
 
I'm turning into a bit of a sad spotter I think!! LOL!

What about you?

lol, remind me to bring you a straight jacket and a box of salmon paste sandwiches!


Me - i've been up to all manner of mystical and expensive things, all will be revealed next week hopefully.
 
lol, remind me to bring you a straight jacket and a box of salmon paste sandwiches!


Me - i've been up to all manner of mystical and expensive things, all will be revealed next week hopefully.

Don't spoil me will ya!! ;) :D

Mysterious indeed, look forward to looking at whatever it is? :confused: :)
 
I looked at the BH-55 but gave up trying to get it as its a right pain, although I did miss one on Ebay, in the end I went for an Arca Swiss Z1 DP which i've been very happy with.

AFAIK, you should just order the RRS from their US website. The shipping is reasonable. They wont be very prompt because they only make small production runs. You will have to pay some import tax no doubt, but in any case, these things aren't cheap, period.


I will order a RRS BH-55 head soon, just trying to figure out my next body upgrade first.

Tim
 
AFAIK, you should just order the RRS from their US website. The shipping is reasonable. They wont be very prompt because they only make small production runs. You will have to pay some import tax no doubt, but in any case, these things aren't cheap, period.


I will order a RRS BH-55 head soon, just trying to figure out my next body upgrade first.

Tim

Yeah I'll be getting mine directly from RRS. Is going to work out at around £500-£600 all in though. That's for the BH-55 with lever clamp, L-Bracket for my D300 with grip, plate for 300mm f2.8 and replacement foot for 70-200mm f2.8 :eek:
 
Me - i've been up to all manner of mystical and expensive things, all will be revealed next week hopefully.


I'm thinking Medium format and a very special picture for this months Golden Hour competition. ;)
 
Outstanding thread thank you Tooks. We've been looking at these "Indian Wimberleys" on e-bay recently, wondering what they were like. I'm currently using the Manfrotto 393 head which to be fair works well, but its such a large and awkward shape lump of metal carting it about is an issue.

I just cannot justify the £500 for the real thing, its just an obscene amount of money for a small lump of metal no matter what the finish. Wimberley are frankly greedy in my opinion - I hope these Indian copies drive the market price down to a more affordable level.
 
Outstanding thread thank you Tooks. We've been looking at these "Indian Wimberleys" on e-bay recently, wondering what they were like. I'm currently using the Manfrotto 393 head which to be fair works well, but its such a large and awkward shape lump of metal carting it about is an issue.

I just cannot justify the £500 for the real thing, its just an obscene amount of money for a small lump of metal no matter what the finish. Wimberley are frankly greedy in my opinion - I hope these Indian copies drive the market price down to a more affordable level.

Glad you found it useful! :)

Looking at it some more, I guess it's more accurate to describe it as a Kirk King Cobra style head, as it is more or less identical looks wise to it. I've never seen or used a Kirk head though, so not sure how this one compares to it build and finish wise, but I'm certain this Indian one will be somewhat behind. The Kirk is £400 though, so I hope it is better finished for the extra cash...

But, I'll take function over form if I can only have one of the two! :)
 
Even if it doesn't last as long, which is probably quite likely, with the low cost you could happily just replace them and still work out ok financially.

My gripes would be if they degrade in performance to a level below the Wimberley (is it actually 100% as good to begin with I don't know). Then the price difference is justified if you no longer get the same performance and your photography is affected.

Secondly, if I was pro then I couldn't afford to have gear failure and the cost would be justified.
 
Great write up and info,......... you thinking of bring in that up to the loop, some of the guys use Wimberley on CadEast for the head on Herc shots with 600mm lens, and a shutter speed of 100 for the perfect prop shots

Weight, total for the head and tripod ? if you have it. :)
 
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Great write up and info,......... you thinking of bring in that up to the loop, some of the guys use Wimberley on CadEast for the head on Herc shots with 600mm lens, and a shutter speed of 100 for the perfect prop shots

Weight, total for the head and tripod ? if you have it. :)

Hi mate,

The head weighs 950g, and tripod weight would obviously depend on what you already had. The best tripod I have at the moment is a Redsnapper Carbon (which is actually very stiff and rated up to 8kg's of kit), and that weighs 1600g, so all up weight would be just over 2.5kg's. Not too bad to lug up the mountain! :)

I was planning on bringing it to the loop, as I want to try the tripod to see if it's any good before thinking about another one.

I'm actually finding the Nikon 300mm AF-S and 2x converter not too bad, as long as the light is good.

This is an E3-D on final approach the other evening at 600mm f8 with it..

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It'll have to do for now anyway, as there definately isn't any budget for a 600mm F4! :D
 
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