Conspiracy theorist needs to goto Specsavers.

ChroniC said:
Not being arguementative but cant hubble see like a millimetre difference from like 2000miles away, im sure that could have a good go :)
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Hubble's angular resolution is about 0.05 arcseconds (0.000014º), while an object 1 cm across on the surface of the moon would be around a millionth of an arcsecond (less than a billionth of a degree) if viewed from Earth. In other words, such an object would have to be around 10000 times bigger for Hubble to be able to resolve it :)
 
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Inquisitor said:
Hubble's angular resolution is about 0.05 arcseconds (0.000014º), while an object 1 cm across on the surface of the moon would be around a millionth of an arcsecond (less than a billionth of a degree) if viewed from Earth. In other words, such an object would have to be around 10000 times bigger for Hubble to be able to resolve it :)
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Blimey.
 
dowie said:
OK I know we've got a few 911 conspiraloons but this??? - Are you on a wind up or do people like you actually post here? - That is absolutely hilarious - you seriously believe this stuff?
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It looks that way.

I've got no problems with people believing whatever they like. It's not possible for me to refute any personal "experiences" they've had that count to them as evidence. What does bother me are their attempts to convince me to believe the same stuff and then claiming that they're just being "open minded" when it's pointed out that they can't provide any evidence.

I mean, if they just came out and said it: that they'd had some epiphany or other-worldly experience then I'd have a lot more respect for them. But the cowardly posting of dodgy second-hand reports from badly-designed websites is just ridiculous. Why are people so scared to admit that they believe something unusual and can't provide any empirical evidence for it?
 
Wow, out of all the conspiracies that appear this is by far the worste one as it's written and looks like a serious news article.

If this is true I will run down Oxford Street naked.

This rules out the possibility that it was dropped by a race of aliens from another planet
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Oh yeah that was my first thought, other aliens, not that this is all BS.

What annoys me is someone is typing this and in the back of their mind must know its all rubbish.
 
Azagoth said:
Find out what? What your next crackpot conspiracy theory to explain why nothing happened in 2012 is?

Personally, I can't wait for 2013 to roll around, just so we can all laugh at you mugs.
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The problem is that these 'theories' will just get more and more frequent up until then, then they will review the Myan calenders and realise it was actually 2022 and we have another decade of crap.
 
p4radox said:
A person who always says the same thing, and says it over and over again is, of course, commonly considered to be, if not a monomaniac, then at very least, a bore.
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And how exactly are the majority of replies in this thread not representative of that statement? Except that the replies are from a number of posters rather than one.
 
Azagoth said:
...and there it is again! Don't you have a bridge to crawl under?
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Right well, you're just a idiot then. Is it your intention to follow me around or something?

Why is it that unless I type "omg COnSPIRACY" in this thread like everyone else is doing I'm a troll?

Why is disagreeing a bad thing? And why are you such a grumpy, up yourself bigoted moron. Go back to whining about political correctness and leave actually having to think about stuff to the rest of us.
 
Chimerical said:
Right well, you're just a idiot then. Is it your intention to follow me around or something?

Why is it that unless I type "omg COnSPIRACY" in this thread like everyone else is doing I'm a troll?

Why is disagreeing a bad thing? And why are you such a grumpy, up yourself bigoted moron. Go back to whining about political correctness and leave actually having to think about stuff to the rest of us.
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Chimerical - you'd have a point if there was any basis of fact to any of this. There isn't - all we've got to see is a few not very good images and a 'news' report that wasn't taken up by any reputable news agencies. The problem is that whilst you may think there is something worth being debated, 99% of users here don't. Conspiracy threads come up all the time about a lot of things, and it's pretty obvious that we're not going to know about 'space history' for many years to come, so in general people won't listen. I for one have nothing wrong with people who think there is a claim of truth in this, but I don't believe it myself. However unless there is proof, no-one really will, or imo should bat an eyelid.
 
iamdjdz said:
Chimerical - you'd have a point if there was any basis of fact to any of this. There isn't - all we've got to see is a few not very good images and a 'news' report that wasn't taken up by any reputable news agencies. The problem is that whilst you may think there is something worth being debated, 99% of users here don't. Conspiracy threads come up all the time about a lot of things, and it's pretty obvious that we're not going to know about 'space history' for many years to come, so in general people won't listen. I for one have nothing wrong with people who think there is a claim of truth in this, but I don't believe it myself. However unless there is proof, no-one really will, or imo should bat an eyelid.
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I know its a load of conspiracy nonsense but these threads always get the same replies over and over. If people just didn't respond then maybe the threads would go away? Whenever majick and Teki post now, all we get is dvdbunnylol style responses.
 
Chimerical said:
I know its a load of conspiracy nonsense but these threads always get the same replies over and over. If people just didn't respond then maybe the threads would go away? Whenever majick and Teki post now, all we get is dvdbunnylol style responses.
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I know, but the thing is most of what they post is posted as total fact and as if they fully believe it. The problem with that is that there's no 'error' for debate. And this leads to people thinking that they are both off their noggins. This is the problem I think a lot of people on here have with them, and it's often because their conspiracy theory/new age posts are so unbelieveable that they can almost all be totally dismissed. They don't quite warrant dvdbunny style attacks, but if you see a conspiracy theory/space conspiracy thread you 'know' its either magick or Teki posting it, and after a while of this people just think, what the hell - none of this makes sense, the same users post it, why don't they shut up. - I myself am interested in theories but don't believe much of what either user says.

I hope that's kind of understandable, but I think it speaks for more than just me.
 
iamdjdz said:
I know, but the thing is most of what they post is posted as total fact and as if they fully believe it. The problem with that is that there's no 'error' for debate. And this leads to people thinking that they are both off their noggins. This is the problem I think a lot of people on here have with them, and it's often because their conspiracy theory/new age posts are so unbelieveable that they can almost all be totally dismissed. They don't quite warrant dvdbunny style attacks, but if you see a conspiracy theory/space conspiracy thread you 'know' its either magick or Teki posting it, and after a while of this people just think, what the hell - none of this makes sense, the same users post it, why don't they shut up. - I myself am interested in theories but don't believe much of what either user says.

I hope that's kind of understandable, but I think it speaks for more than just me.
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Yes, but it is kind of feeding them. I mean, really OcUK should just moderate these threads and ban/close them if necessary. The overall content is just a waste of bandwidth but at the same time, like you say, the OPs don't deserve the attacks. They're only posting totally harmless viewpoints and next to some of the views that I see, conspiracy theories aren't exactly a priority for me to counter.

Its just funny how everyone is united against the OP in this thread yet you could come up with "Shoot all the teenagers" and "Kick out the immigrants" and get much more divided responses.

Also, my original point was that the replies are mostly resolute and I doubt most have even read the content of the OP. Teki could write anything and probably get the "you're a conspiracist nutjob!!!!" responses regardless.
 
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Yeah, you're right that both Teki and magick get those responses, but as far as I can see from any threads that I've come across their OPs contain no more than a massive quoted text from an article and a blimey this is happening post. This causes me to think that they just believed the original article without thinking, and I'm sure others will feel the same. Now both magick and Teki have had valuable contributions in other threads, but the ones they start themselves have a substance that is generally felt to be a bit odd, and wrong, as their basis of argument. Then forum members who disagree feel that they don't need to give a reason for their disagreement, and state said disagreement, in the same way that the OP doesn't really give a reason for their argument. Whether it comes down to insult or playful banter is up to the user in the thread.

I'm all for having a proper debate about something, but if things are going to be stated as truth and not properly evaluated before being thrust to the masses then I don't see any reason why there shouldn't be a massive opinion difference until one side can prove their argument to the other.

This of course is all in my own opinion and may differ from other members.
 
In other words, the majority of members here see a magick or Teki post, and instantly equate it with about as much logic as flicking through a copy of "Fortean Times" at the newsagent. The resulting thread is only a natural list of responses from that mindset.
 
Pestilence said:
In other words, the majority of members here see a magick or Teki post, and instantly equate it with about as much logic as flicking through a copy of "Fortean Times" at the newsagent. The resulting thread is only a natural list of responses from that mindset.
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Doesn't it get boring though?
 
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