Sikh police want bullet-proof turbans - Wait, What ??

[nero120]

Good to see there are still one or two OCUK members who haven't got the paper boy delivering the Daily Mail and the vote BNP sign in the window. Thank heavens for a little bit of sanity in a thread full of sabre rattling Engurlanders.

Christ boy, can you spew at least one post without mentioning the BNP? I'd rather have people asking the question than be a witless little appeaser like yourself.

You denegrate people whose natural instinct it is to protect with their ancestors have built, and you think that makes you better than them? I have nothing but contempt for you.

 

[Moley]

They are not complaining. They are merely asking the Home Office and government to consider an alternative form of head protection for them should a Sikh officer qualify as a firearms officer.

I personally don't see the problem as long as the research does not cost too much.

I totally agree with what you have said but I know of many Sikhs who choose not to wear a turban, one of whom works for the Met Police.

I am also aware that rather than wearing a Turban they can choose to wear a Patka - like the cricket players do - if a full Turban would get in the way.

If it is indeed a matter of choice then I am not sure I am comfortable with money being spent on creating new protective headgear - especially as there is nothing stopping a Sikh being an ordinary member of the flatfoot brigade.

However I have a lot of respect for Sikhs - some of the most respectful and noble people I have met, with a great sense of tradition and appreciation for this country. They make a real contribution to our society and despite my reservations above, I am inclined to put them to one side and say that this money should be spent on protecting these guys who want to get their hands dirty doing the difficult police jobs.

 

[a1ex2001]

Christ boy, can you spew at least one post without mentioning the BNP? I'd rather have people asking the question than be a witless little appeaser like yourself.

You denegrate people whose natural instinct it is to protect with their ancestors have built, and you think that makes you better than them? I have nothing but contempt for you.

So because someone says 'Excuse me sir but I'd like too further my career and become a firearms officer, if only a suitable turban was available could you find out if the boss would consider making one?' that means he's trying to destroy everything our fathers, fathers worked for?

Where do we draw this line in the aand that says nothing must change from this time on? I'm sure my great grandparents would have been horified by the idea of a women in government or even the work place so perhaps they should all go back to the kitchen too? I'm not an appeaser I'm a realist, if you must fight battles fight them where they really matter. Oppose religious schooling of any sort or something worthwhile a Sikh wanting to serve his country is hardly worthy of your angst.

Oh and thanks for calling me boy, not since I was breached has such a compliment been passed.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

However I have a lot of respect for Sikhs - some of the most respectful and noble people I have met, with a great sense of tradition and appreciation for this country. They make a real contribution to our society and despite my reservations above, I am inclined to put them to one side and say that this money should be spent on protecting these guys who want to get their hands dirty doing the difficult police jobs.

I have to agree there.

Sikhs are up there as arguably the friendliest and most moral people you could meet.

 

[wozzizname]

All the Sikhs I've had dealings with have been a great bunch, and in general seem very well integrated into our society. Sikhs have long been associated with the police and the military, and if it's possible for them to be given something like a kevlar turban to offer a bit of extra protection while on firearms duty, then I don't ses what the problem is as long as it's done at reasonable cost.

 

[Skully]

Generally curious, what happens if their Turban gets pulled off in a tussle with a defendant?

Oh, and also the armed coppers outside court never seem to have bullet proof headwear, purely baseball type caps.

When do they wear helmets?

 

[TerryWogan]

Christ boy, can you spew at least one post without mentioning the BNP? I'd rather have people asking the question than be a witless little appeaser like yourself.

You denegrate people whose natural instinct it is to protect with their ancestors have built, and you think that makes you better than them? I have nothing but contempt for you.

I have nothing but contempt and despair for people like you, holding this country back with your small minded views.

 

[Abraham]

Generally curious, what happens if their Turban gets pulled off in a tussle with a defendant?

Oh, and also the armed coppers outside court never seem to have bullet proof headwear, purely baseball type caps.

When do they wear helmets?

I'd imagine it's to go with riot/assault gear, as you say normal armed uniform is lightweight stuff, I think it's different when they're actually going to do something though.

I find it pretty amusing that the person who thinks muslims and sikhs are the same also thinks that christians and catholics are different... no helping some people.

 

[Greenlizard0]

The very fact that someone has even raised the issue points to a desire to put the religion above the job. In my opinion that is a dangerous precedent and any request should be denied unless their is a damn good reason for it.

Well no not really, their religion is part of their life and they wish to integrate it with work. It's not like they're actively refusing to do the work because of religious grounds, rather as said, they're looking for a solution such that they can. If they put it the religion above the job, already knowing they they can't do it they'd then surely not even bother asking?

If there is none, I doubt any more will come of it.

Christ boy, can you spew at least one post without mentioning the BNP? I'd rather have people asking the question than be a witless little appeaser like yourself.

You denegrate people whose natural instinct it is to protect with their ancestors have built, and you think that makes you better than them? I have nothing but contempt for you.

There's a difference between asking questions and gutlessly doing as is told.

It is a funny coincidence that the people who tend to pose them nowadays often stem it from ridiculous and nonsensical sources. Which in turn, makes them look stupid. Add the fact that the large majority of those have little to sod all idea about their own history, just makes it all the funnier really.

 

[nero120]

So because someone says 'Excuse me sir but I'd like too further my career and become a firearms officer, if only a suitable turban was available could you find out if the boss would consider making one?' that means he's trying to destroy everything our fathers, fathers worked for?

That comment was a response to people's reaction on this board. It is not necessarily the Sikh's fault to ask (though I would argue to even ask shows a lack of respect or understanding of their position/responsibility), it is our fault for appeasing so many seemingly minor requests that betray common sense, and in the grand scheme do affect society dramatically.

The individual in your example should question the logic of wearing a turban to work, and whether it is in the spirit of his position to petition the police force to change it's rules to suit his interests.

Where do we draw this line in the aand that says nothing must change from this time on? I'm sure my great grandparents would have been horified by the idea of a women in government or even the work place so perhaps they should all go back to the kitchen too? I'm not an appeaser I'm a realist, if you must fight battles fight them where they really matter. Oppose religious schooling of any sort or something worthwhile a Sikh wanting to serve his country is hardly worthy of your angst.

The idea of women in the work place is still a bit horrific when you consider the damage it has done to the family unit, so I would argue they weren't so irrational to be suspicious of it (though in your defense, their reasons may have been out of bigotism).

The reason I am passionate about this is because it shows a clear lack of respect for the position and responsibility they hold, and is contrary to common sense. I would not have a problem if their request didn't challenge an important and fundamental rule, but this is going too far. And if you appease them, be sure there will be more request incoming.

 

[nero120]

I have nothing but contempt and despair for people like you, holding this country back with your small minded views.

Yeah! Bullet proof turbans are the way forward! Thank god for people like you who take it upon themselves to further the betterment of mankind!

 

[a1ex2001]

finally this thread takes a turn for the better, well done peeps.

 

[JAzz]

All the Sikhs I've had dealings with have been a great bunch, and in general seem very well integrated into our society. Sikhs have long been associated with the police and the military, and if it's possible for them to be given something like a kevlar turban to offer a bit of extra protection while on firearms duty, then I don't ses what the problem is as long as it's done at reasonable cost.

I wouldn't really bother trying to talk sense to anyone here or Daily Mail readers for that matter. People are so ignorant and talk so much nonsense not even worth bothering with.

Our community have integrated well and hardly caused any problems but until we all become white and follow the exact views of people here (even though ours haven't really caused many problems) some people will never be happy. Just the way it is really and it used to bother me but I can't say I care too much these days.

 

[nero120]

Well no not really, their religion is part of their life and they wish to integrate it with work. It's not like they're actively refusing to do the work because of religious grounds, rather as said, they're looking for a solution such that they can. If they put it the religion above the job, already knowing they they can't do it they'd then surely not even bother asking?

If there is none, I doubt any more will come of it.

The fact is that 'bullet proof turbans' fly in the face of common sense and yet they still ask. The obvious truth is that their religion is at odds with their choice of career and rather than accept this they wish to pursue spurious requests in order to get their way.

I'm sorry but I cannot see this being anything but a total lack of respect for the important role that a firearms officer carries out. I suggest they re-examine their priorities.

 

[Kainz]

I wouldn't really bother trying to talk sense to anyone here or Daily Mail readers for that matter. People are so ignorant and talk so much nonsense not even worth bothering with.

Pretty much sums up every GD thread that involves ethnics here. Mention any brown skinned religion and they all pop out of the woodwork.

 

[~J~]

I'd imagine it's to go with riot/assault gear, as you say normal armed uniform is lightweight stuff, I think it's different when they're actually going to do something though.

I find it pretty amusing that the person who thinks muslims and sikhs are the same also thinks that christians and catholics are different... no helping some people.

Ahhhhhhh, that'll be me then.

NO WHERE did I say they were the same, in fact I find it quite ironic that ethnic cultures within the UK want equal rights, yet, they want a 'little bit of this' or a 'little bit of that' because their culture/religion requires it. The 'whatever' was actually a more 'really don't give a flying **** what you are' or is that a racist thing to do? Y'know, kinda seperate people by their race?

I honestly didn't make the comment I did because I'm being racist, I'm genuinly amused by religion as a whole and find the whole point of these people so called integrating within society to be not that at all but changing society around them. And for the record, I'm NOT saying that is a bad thing at all.

The very silly BNP comments are actually insulting, I could play the "my best mate down the road is a Sikh/Muslim/Jew/[can't say whatever 'cos that's a blanket racist]" but why should I.

Sorry to say it folks, call it what you will I really don't care, but the following statement I'd standby until someone gives me some better reason.

Let's say my best mate was a Sikh and he went to work within the sector that the topic is about with nothing more than a turban, bullet proof or not. Would me feeling genuinly concerned that he hasn't got the same protection JUST BECAUSE his religion prevents this make me a racist?

Well obviously I'm a racist (and proud of it) and have nowt else to say.

 

[TerryWogan]

Yeah! Bullet proof turbans are the way forward! Thank god for people like you who take it upon themselves to further the betterment of mankind!

I don't think the issue here is with bullet proof turbans, though. You obviously have some underlying discriminatory feelings towards minorities, like, sadly, many people in this country. That's what I'm talking about.

 

[nero120]

Pretty much sums up every GD thread that involves ethnics here. Mention any brown skinned religion and they all pop out of the woodwork.

Sometimes the idiocy and arrogance portrayed on here makes me think there are more students than daily mail readers.

 

[nero120]

I don't think the issue here is with bullet proof turbans, though. You obviously have some underlying discriminatory feelings towards minorities, like, sadly, many people in the country. That's what I'm talking about.

WHAT A CONTRIBUTION!!!!! Another sterling post sir! You demonstrate such an effortless and inate knowledge of logic that one could not hope to match!

Bravo!

 

[a1ex2001]

SNIP

Your still defining our society as something static and not something that should change an evolve as different people move into it. Maybe we should go back to the real good old days when kings and nobles lived it up and the rest of us lived in the gutter? Society has to be progressive and there are far bigger threats than Sikhs with bullet proof turbans.

What is you definition of society that these terrible Sikhs are destroying with there simple request? I'm not even going to entertain all the lack of respect for the position stuff your spouting as it makes no sense, they want to server as firearms officers so are trying to work on a way which would allow them too how is that disrepectful of the position? It's no different to me asking my boss for a wristrest for my keyboard as it means I can do my job even though others in the team don't want or need them.