I have to agree too, which is shocing considering he has a McLaren/Braun sig lol
Toyota will quit F1, Ferrari may quit F1 . . .
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I have to agree too, which is shocing considering he has a McLaren/Braun sig lol
Ignore the teams it's a button/Hamilton sig. I'm not really a team supporter and McLaren is annoying me to no end.
There are a lot of people out there who call themselves "F1 fans" but who don't really understand the sport, how it has been structured and what benefits the sport brings to the real world.
Having spent some time recently working with AT&T Williams I have come to a better understanding of this myself.
Formula One is in reality not about racing, it is about engineering.
What you have is a group of engineering companies building from scratch the best car they can to a limited specification from the limited resources they have. They then takes these cars racing and make money off of television coverage and sponsorship deals won off the back of results.
It's really that simple and a beautiful thing to behold - racing at its simplest and purest.
The benefits that Formula One has bought to the world at large are massive, including Traction Control, ABS, Ceramic Discs, Carbon Fibre materials - even non-slip boots, surgical teams and improved fishing lines have come out of this sport!
I can fully understand in todays climate the FIA's wish to reduce costs, but this should never be done at the expense of the technical innovation of the sport or at the expense of the racing.
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Excellent post Moley.
In light of that Renault, Ferrari, Toyota & BMW are ready to leave. They will form their own championship - call it Formula X or whatever, MM and BC will be left with nothing. Really hope this happens as the FIA together with MM have totally lost the plot on this one!
In light of that Renault, Ferrari, Toyota & BMW are ready to leave. They will form their own championship - call it Formula X or whatever, MM and BC will be left with nothing. Really hope this happens as the FIA together with MM have totally lost the plot on this one!
Okay, so we've got Ferrari, RBR/STR, BMW, Toyota and now Renault threatening to bugger off if this disastrous two-tier idea goes ahead in its current form. That leaves.....Williams, but without engines, and the current Mercedes three. Outstanding, that'll make for a wonderfully exciting and close-fought championship. I'm sure deuse will love it.
Your failing to see how 200 million per year has strangled the life out of f1. Even in a time when Lewis hamilton was the great british hope viewing figures in this country plummeted to such a low ITV wanted rid.
BBC were conned into a bidding war with a station that didn't even want it anymore.
I find it laughable that Renault have joined a breakaway group when the renault director said himself not too long ago they would pull out because of spiralling costs.
F1 doesn't equal car sales. From two world titles the renault head said himself that it had no benefit to the number of renaults sold worldwide.
What use if there in entering a sport that cannot sustain itself. The mega rich teams have done nothing to preserve the sport, because they don't care as long as the status quo is maintained.
I'm all for freeing up the technical regulations but again how the hell can you do that and expect anything like a competitive racing series when teams spending 200 million per year can throw money at it.
Who wants to see Mclaren build a car 3 seconds faster than anyone else and have a no1 and no2 driver that can't race each other.
I can't see a way to both free up regulations and make it remotely interesting as a race. It's no use throwing up examples to 70's race cars an innovative because the money required then to now is worlds apart from being a realistic budget.
Again who wants to see cars so easy to drive with active suspension, abs, traction control and gearboxes where you cannot select the wrong gear in anything like the wrong rev range.
Every single time the FIA, pitpass or whoever poll the fans on what they want the number 1 requirement every single time is the driver having far more input into the car.
Personally I'd like to see all the aero scaled right down, diffusers removed completely and a standard front and rear wing that has two settings. High downforce and low downforce. Then allow them to develope the engines any which way they want for a certain size.
I'm all for the budget cap, but it should be a set figure with no tier system. Again this is all just posturing, offer them 40 million and a tier system and agree to 60 scaling down over 3 years with no tier system.
Since they mentioned the budget system I've heard of more teams being interested that in years.
The major manufacturers have been threatening to form a break away league for about ten years now - based on their wanting a greater share of the television revenue. Every time Max and Bernie have negotiated with the teams and they have come back into the fold on the back of a compromise or two. I expect the same thing to happen again this time - remember the motor car manufacturers are in the business of making and selling cars and all forms of motor racing are just a marketing exercise for them. They really don't want to be getting into the business of setting up their own sport - especially with the huge losses most of them are sustaining at the moment - they just don't have the money to spend on all the logistics and setup costs of an entirely new motor series, especially when they are in all likelyhood slashing their marketing budgets.
They won't form their own series. the time and opportunity for that has come and gone.
I expect fia will back down or substantially increase budget cap by like 4+ times.
You really think if that bunch were in charge of their own series they could agree on anything. Such a bunch of selfish attitudes that have done nothing for the future of f1, you really think they could come up with a list of rules and regs themselves.
Don't make me laugh.
Not the first time either they have all threatened to leave.
In this new series will Ferrari get paid more than the other teams as well?
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I wish they would already, if only to get the FIA out of the equation.
Or like 2003 Bernie bought Ferrari with $80 sweetie to leave the ranks
which they did and left the other F1 teams high and dry.
I am so surprised that (so called) F1 fans have forgot about that.
Max will make a deal on friday but in the end he will get what he and Bernie wants.
And just where will they race?
as you would know birnie has contracts on all the top tracks
I dont like Max or Bernie that much but I know they have all there bases covered.
Its not about no technology - but some kind of cap makes the field at least level primarily.
McLaren, Ferrari and Renault, Red bull /TR do also but to a lesser extent (at a guess) have VAST income from other areas - Williams (good choice by the way) has always been an engineering firm first and a racing team 2nd and its only income is from F1 like most of the other smaller teams.
If FIA could "wipe" the slate clean - and make sure all teams where completely self supporting, which they arent currently by any means, maybe that would be a possibility?
How Max Mosley can possibly think that the big teams will accept a massive instant budget cut is ridiculous. If Ferrari, Mclaren etc sign up, this instantly means firing a huge number of their staff, making the team almost unrecognisable. You cant possibly expect them to do this in such a dramatic fashion. I agree costs need to be cut but wheres the practicality behind this proposal?
I suppose these is potential for innovation to be had within the budget cap, and maybe some technological breakthroughs in cost reduction without sharing anyuthing between the teams that don't want to. I do agree that the budget of 40m is too low and that we should do something to bring the teams down to a more equal playing field without impeding the technological development of the sport.
They need to research on what they can do to make the sport cheaper for the teams, rather than limit what they can spend. Give them less incentive to spend so much instead, makes a bit more sense if they really feel thats what the sport needs.
They need to research on what they can do to make the sport cheaper for the teams, rather than limit what they can spend. Give them less incentive to spend so much instead, makes a bit more sense if they really feel thats what the sport needs.
In the Times online sept 2008
" Ferrari get so much more money than everyone else,” he said
They know exactly what they get, they are not that stupid,
although they are not that bright, either.
We ‘bought’ Ferrari. We ‘bought’ Ferrari’s loyalty
Our deal with Ferrari was that we ‘bought’ them so they would not go to the others
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article5372488.ece
Indeed, in fact Jordan once was relatively active in trying to sort such (when he was reminded to turn up to meetings) - which highlights quite how long they've been thinking of doing it.
I agree, except I'd also add that I get the feeling that the teams, together, struggle to agree what to have for lunch, let alone what's needed to set up a new Formula X.
what has that got to do with anything?