That's not the only part you have to worry about failing though is it. Look at Senna for example.
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Of course you need to change the tracks, the run off's need to be bigger and areas of walling need to be moved further away. Some places you can't do that because of stand positioning or just not enough room.
It is not possible to make the cars faster and not adapt the tracks to suit for safety. Sure you can increase the car safety from an impact point of view but there is also the safety of the spectators and marshalls.
Your missing the point anyway, it doesn't matter if you can build the car to withstand a 250mph spin and crash into a wall, the brain inside the drivers head cannot be built to withstand a year on year increase in impact speed.
which is why you increase car safety . ways of decelerating the car over a longer period.
It's not just about max speed. It's cornering speed. An f1 car even doing 250 wouldn't go through a wall and hurt spectators.
And we certainly shouldn't be slowing the cars down to speed slower than years ago.
It's not just about max speed. It's cornering speed. An f1 car even doing 250 wouldn't go through a wall and hurt spectators.
And we certainly shouldn't be slowing the cars down to speed slower than years ago.
yet ferrari and mclaren have those huge mobile HQ things that cost more than a lot of the teams spend in there budget the irony!
im all in favour if it means monaco is off the calander!
Drivers are still at risk of dying today, the fact that you want that is kinda morbid. Even if the risk of dying has been greatly reduced, drivers can still get seriously injured - you find that a turn on too?
Danger and crashes go hand in hand with motor racing. A lot of people watch Motor Racing because of it.
My point may have come across wrong, but i think the drivers are way too protected now, and too much money is spent improving safety for little/no need.
What I don't get why it's so hard for you understand. If your proposing ways of decelerating the car over a longer period then you need more room, which just about all of the older circuits don't have.
Go for a walk around somewhere like Montreal and look at how close the walls are in places if you increase the cornering speed you need a increase in run off.
AGAIN that doesn't help a driver if he's impacting at higher speeds, or hit another car at a higher speed. You can build the tub as strong as you like but the damage done internally to a human through higher speed stoppages is half the reason CART had far more fatalities and serious injuries than F1. Look at some of the G's those boys have suffered from high speed impacts.
A car doing 250 won't go through a wall, no but bit of it can easily go over or through catch fencing. You need to sit on the front row of a grandstand at spain (main straight) to see how close you actually are to the cars at 200 mph to appreciate why going faster and faster isn't an option.
Ok, I should have clarified it further - and so that no wheel is able to fly off-the car, or any object enter the cockpit area.
Amen brother!
Big or more efficient crumple zone for a start.
And if you want to change the track. You put tighter/more complicated corners it. So the track gets harder but the cars can still increase in performance and keep the technology side of f1 which it has slowly lost since the mid 90's
Again how does the crumple zone save the drivers brain from being rattled inside his head from faster more sudden stops?
So your asking for faster cars but then tightening up the corners so the corner speed comes down? So basically leaving it exactly the same as it is now. I'm sure circuit owners would love that idea. So all your going to get is a faster straight line speed and longer braking zone.
Your forgetting the area of entry to the corner will still have to have a much larger run off due to the possible increased speed coming down the straight. Which would have to increased year on year with this performance increase.
Do me a favour Red Button, Friday practice, text your Idea into BBC I'd love to hear the reply.
The car slows down slower, thus teh driver slows down slower. not hard to work that one out.
Not it's not the same as it is now. the technology and the speed/ability of the cars advance.
Of course its the same if you build a 250 mph car and tighten say stowe the cornering speed will come down, you said you wanted cornering speeds up.
I said you would need bigger run offs which you countered by saying tighten up the bend. Therefore your cornering speed will be just about the same as when you started, but using your methods they have spent millions altering the track.
Simply if the corner speed increases so does the run off. Better crumple zones won't do **** to help a higher impact crash if the cars get faster with no increase in run off to slow the car down.
Again the CART cars where heavy and strong yet the crumple zones did them no good when the run off wasn't long enough. The car dissapated some energy nicely, doesn't stop the driver being dead.
Just as well really.
You're doing fine mate.
Awesome is it some kind of tag team that needs a reassuring cuddle
I guess I cannot be understanding his argument. No offence Acid your a nice guy I hope I haven't upset you.
I just didn't understand your logic in speeding them up and tightening the corners. I will agree to disagree
no haven't upset me.
The point of speeding them up is technology. the point of slowing them down is
A) safety
B) So you can't go flat out around the corner
Basically the idea is the developers keep increasing development. And making the tracks harder if you really need to reduce speed.
Therefore to get the car around a harder/tighter corner at the same speed requires a better car.
And the point of crumple zones is the car hits first and absorbs the energy. Thus the energy isn't transferred to the driver.
So crumple zones have a huge impact on the survivability of the driver.
The point of speeding them up is technology. the point of slowing them down is
A) safety
B) So you can't go flat out around the corner
Basically the idea is the developers keep increasing development. And making the tracks harder if you really need to reduce speed.
Therefore to get the car around a harder/tighter corner at the same speed requires a better car.
And the point of crumple zones is the car hits first and absorbs the energy. Thus the energy isn't transferred to the driver.
So crumple zones have a huge impact on the survivability of the driver.
Good
I will leave it there, as the other stuff we are coming from opposite ends so to speak