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EU slam Intel with a big fine

EvilOne said:
I didnt make the rules :( Apple can get away with it, intel cant.
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This is the point I'm making: are they getting away with it? Apple and Intel both have huge swathes of their respective market. Intel pressured companies into delaying or cancelling AMD projects, whereas Apple seem to have just worked the PR department and done pretty well for it. Unless someone comes out and says Apple paid off someone to drop their project then Apple and Intel aren't doing the same anti-competitive things, which is what edGfaCTor was saying.
 
Art said:
This is the point I'm making: are they getting away with it? Apple and Intel both have huge swathes of their respective market. Intel pressured companies into delaying or cancelling AMD projects, whereas Apple seem to have just worked the PR department and done pretty well for it. Unless someone comes out and says Apple paid off someone to drop their project then Apple and Intel aren't doing the same anti-competitive things, which is what edGfaCTor was saying.
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Your making out like Intel held guns at there heads they didn't force companies to take there product they offered them better deals I don't see the problem.
 
If people want to suddenly suggest that modern business has a moral code, then those who gave the "pressure" are as guilty as those who took it.

We all know that "pressure" here is a financial reward - there was a time when things like that used to be called bribes.

If intel's actions were so illegal to be worth over 1 billion euros fine, then why did those target companies cave in? If they had said "no we wont accept that offer" to intel, this all would not have happened. Instead they got greedy and gave in to the "pressure", lining their pockets with silver as they then try to convince the world that they are actually the victims.

So then the fault lies with both parties, and yet I dont see any company like dell facing the consequences.

One billion euro is a huge amount of money for a fine, its no coincidence that of all the businesses in the world, intel is one of the few who could pay that sort of fine and still continue business.
 
dokko said:
Terrible decision. It's not Intel's fault AMD are crap.
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lol. at the time AMD had the superior product in there new Athlon 64 chips which Intel had no answer for, so they did the next best thing by doing there utmost to deny AMD access to the really big bulk box shifters ( Dell etc ) by offering all manner of sweeterners to keep AMD in it's place. so, AMD where hardly crap, and it was the only logical decision to arrive at given Intels monopolistic conduct.
 
I always knew there was a reason I was fanboy of AMD...but now that I own two Intel CPU's I feel bad for AMD...Intel you should be ashamed of yourselves...
 
The only fair way to solve this if it was wrong which I don't think what Intel did was wrong everyone does it is to give the money to AMD why should EU get it AMD was the party that was suppose to of lost a lot because of it.
 
Intel should show some bottle and tell the EUSSR to stick it, refuse to pay the fine to the Commisars and dare them to ban intel chips from Europe. Its about time someone broght the little Stalins down a peg or two.
 
G_Wizz said:
Intel should show some bottle and tell the EUSSR to stick it, refuse to pay the fine to the Commisars and dare them to ban intel chips from Europe. Its about time someone broght the little Stalins down a peg or two.
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Wow, I just realised, that would actually work :eek: since Intel chips are used so much in PCs made for the government, they wouldn't dare.
 
dokko said:
Terrible decision. It's not Intel's fault AMD are crap.
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How long have you been in the computer hardware business? I remember a time when AMD had a much superior product and intel were doing their best to strongarm motherboard makers not to make boards for it, remember that? Remember when they tried the 'Mhz' game by releasing a cynical attempt at money grabbing that was the original pentium 4 that could'nt even beat their own pentium 3 at release but cost way more? I could go on and on, rambus, the original celeron, the joke the i820 was.. etc.. I use Intel chips mainly now but AMD chips aren't drastically off the mark and may one day well be back on top.
 
That's retarded, why do they get to hand out fines for that. That's like paying google for keywords to have top spot for a word/phrase. Intel chose to be nice and give a nice tip to the manufacturers for their top spot position, then that's fair deal IMO, good marketing strategy.
 
JFox said:
That's retarded, why do they get to hand out fines for that. That's like paying google for keywords to have top spot for a word/phrase. Intel chose to be nice and give a nice tip to the manufacturers for their top spot position, then that's fair deal IMO, good marketing strategy.
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Intel being 'nice'

Moving on, I started talking to the vendors, asking the usual questions about the products, can they spill the beans on upcoming stuff and the like. Tidbits aside, there wasn't much new information there, it has all been covered before the launch. By about the third vendor, one thing stuck out, and stuck out big. They all told me that prior to the launch, they received a phone call from Intel. Intel asked if they were going to the launch. If they replied yes, the Intel rep asked them if it was 'important to them to go', or 'if they really wanted to go'.

Pressing the vendors, I got the same response, 'Intel is too smart to threaten us directly, but it was quite clear from that phone call that we would be risking our various kickback money if we went'. If one vendor had said this to me, or even two, I would have put it down as little more than an annoyed vendor, but they all told me this. When asked for clarification, the stories sounded more and more alike, a pleasant sounding phone call from the Intel rep that made the hair on the back of their necks stand on end, and left no doubt in their minds as to what the 'request' actually was.
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http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1008949/intel-strong-armed-vendors-at-amd-launch


Antitrust regulators in Europe and Japan are looking into complaints that Intel threatens PC makers with retaliation if they use AMD's chips. Intel, however, has denied those allegations.
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http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,39152678,00.htm


A veil of silence has descended over whether or not Intel has put pressure on Gigabyte and Asustek to slow down on their K7 motherboard activities. One rumour -- and we stress this is only one of the rumours -- is that Intel asked the Taiwanese firms to slow down on developing solutions for the up-and-coming Athlon. Another rumour goes along the lines that Gigabyte and Asus bowed to Intel's pressure. But the third rumour is that both companies turned round to Intel and gave Chipzilla the Sanders Salute. AMD said today it couldn't comment. Intel was unavailable for comment. Gigabyte and Asustek couldn't be contacted. So make of that what you will... ®
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/08/04/is_intel_pressuring_mobo_maker/


Dr Tom Pabst, who founded Tom's Hardware page, is alleging that Intel has been muscling Taiwanese mobo manufacturers. Pabst, who has just posted a first look at AMD Athlon motherboards, said there was a "very strong rumour" that Intel is throwing its whole weight behind the threats. That, he says, goes some way towards explaining that only a handful of companies supported the Athlon at its launch in Taipei last week. He suggests that lack of motherboard support threatens the financial viability of AMD's chip, and that the BX chipset shortage is artificial. An Intel representative said: "We don't respond to rumour or speculation. We do believe very strongly that we conduct our business practices in an ethical, legal and professional manner at all times with both our customers and suppliers." ®
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/08/18/toms_hardware_speaks_out_over/
 
Intel have committed a serious breach of anti-trust law and as such should be punished. Some people seem to be missing the fact that they conducted their business in a way that breached the market rules for which they operated in.

But people who think this will impact prices are being a bit naive.. this fine won't even dent Intel's cash balance so don't expect any price rises. The market share is already secured alos, so don't expect prices coming down due to increased competition anytime soon.
 
JFox said:
That's retarded, why do they get to hand out fines for that. That's like paying google for keywords to have top spot for a word/phrase. Intel chose to be nice and give a nice tip to the manufacturers for their top spot position, then that's fair deal IMO, good marketing strategy.
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Idiot comment tbh, good marketing strategy my back side.

Intel should get a bigger fine, the fine they got is nothing to them what they make and while there at it be a good idea to jail some of the idiots at intel for this.

12 months ago i upgraded now i can see why i had such a smaller choice when i was looking for a am2 board, i got a amd board even though intel chips were a lot better and i'm glad i did now.
 
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