Death knell for hunting ban as police abandon monitoring operations

[starfighter]

Source?

honestly unable to find it, but it was a link to a reputable source such as the BBC, possibly from this forum and it was around 80 - 90% of all people arrested for terrorism were let go with no evidence.

I will keep looking unless someone can assist.

 

[arknor]

Which is why they are re-deploying those trained officers into more productive roles, surely?

like easy crimes for statistical purposes? you mean highly productive

 

[didgemaster]

I see it like this.

We need food to survive. Just do it in the least painful way possible and allow the animal to have a decent life, I am all about free range eggs and stuff but I ain't no veggie because we are meat eaters and It is hard to get all your nutrients from veg.

There is no reason to shoot animals other than pleasure (lets face it foxes are not taking over the England any time soon).

So don't do it unless you want me to shoot you for pleasure. (i know caring for other living things is rather odd around here but hey)


However if you were starving to death, bring it on and we will go for it. winner eats the other.

Free range eggs come from chickens that are allowed to roam outside barns and I totally agree with the practise - you have happy chickens and better eggs.

How do you think the chickens are protected from things like foxes?

Foxes aren't selective predictors if they get amongst chickens it is there instinct to kill many more than it can eat. What is the farmer to do?

The farmer has a few options - Get a lama, it sounds odd but lamas don't like foxes and chase them off but they are only a help and not a solution. The fox could be caught and taken away but no one is willing to provide that service to the farmer for a cheap price. The farmer can no longer use the hunt as it has been outlawed. So if you want to keep on eating eggs then you should not have a problem with foxes being shot. There are other practices for controlling foxes such as poisoning, gassing etc but in my view these are more cruel to the fox as death is generally a slower more painful death

Farmers don't generally like killing wildlife as they enjoy it too but if you want to eat animal products then you should do it with the knowledge that other creatures are killed so you you can

 

[deuse]

Farmers don't generally like killing wildlife as they enjoy it too but if you want to eat animal products then you should do it with the knowledge that other creatures are killed so you you can

I have never heard of a free range chicken place thats had a fox
kill all there stock. Also if the dumy farmer cant build a pen safe enough to keep chickens from foxs
then maybe its time he packed it up.

 

[Moonpie]

I take it you live in the city?

There's absolutely no need to call farmers 'dummies' (which I presume you meant when you wrote 'dumy'?).

 

[atpbx]

I take it you live in the city?

There's absolutely no need to call farmers 'dummies' (which I presume you meant when you wrote 'dumy'?).

I despair at people sometimes, the dude is 51 years old and has the same understanding of the food chain as a foetus.

 

[TommyTenToes]

Because 90% of people they arrest are innocent. Perhaps that suggests that they are abusing their powers and stopping people they don't like the look of or to make them look busy as opposed to actually fighting crime.

I was referring to stop checks, not arrests. As for 90% of people they arrest being innocent, whilst I'm sure many people are, others will be released as no substantial evidence could be obtained, which doesn't necessarily equate to innocence.

 

[TommyTenToes]

I have never heard of a free range chicken place thats had a fox kill all there stock.

Ohh right so if it doesn't kill all of their stock it isn't a pest? Maximizing productivity is vital in every business.

Also if the dumy farmer cant build a pen safe enough to keep chickens from foxs then maybe its time he packed it up.

Judging from your comments so far I seriously doubt you could design or build a pen safe from foxes within a reasonable budget.

I suggest you do a great deal of research before you voice your uneducated opinion any further, because your media-fueled city-based opinion is doing you no favours.

 

[Hxc]

Glad to see them redeploying police where needed. High street areas are really struggling with shoplifiting atm, although I don't suppose they can do much about htat.

 

[negger]

I have never heard of a free range chicken place thats had a fox
kill all there stock. Also if the dumy farmer cant build a pen safe enough to keep chickens from foxs
then maybe its time he packed it up.

when i was about 11yo we had an allotment with 20 ducklings penned seperate from 7 geese - these were all for christmas. the netting that we had was quite secure but one morning i got up to find all the ducklings dead or maimed. i phoned my grandad, who was to show me nearer to christmas how to kill them, to come and help me with the maimed ducklings.
when he arrived he said it was definately a fox, he'd seen this happen a lot before. foxes are predators and people still use phrases like 'cunning' or 'sly fox' and for good reason. we're not dealing with a slightly cheeky fun loving basil brush type character, its a predator.
that said, i don't hate foxes and never kill any animal without reason or purpose.

 

[vincent1989]

i'm also glad to see police are being diverted to more important 'crimes'.

however if the claim from the independent RE: breeding of foxes is to be believed then those that engage in the blood sport really don't have a leg to stand on when citing their need to hunt based upon the fox being a pest and killing livestock, even if this is not the case then the confirmed activity of creating artificial earth to attract the foxes on to their land certainly removes any claim that the fox is a pest (to them at least).

it's transparent that foxes may, on occasion, kill all the chickens in a coop, but if this has increased because of the hunting ban why haven't we seen any figures related to this being published in the media? could it be because there hasn't been any substantial increase in chicken killings? or just because the stories and pictures serve as a means to an end to continue this horrific blood sport and blot on our claim to being a 'civilized' society.

if you're a farmer and you happen to spot a fox on your land and are able to 'deal' with it, then by all means go ahead, just don't try to cover up a hobby and a blood sport with a feeble excuse like 'pest control'

 

[jumpy]

Used to go foxhunting as a child, not really my cup of tea as an adult. There were plenty of days when no foxes were caught at all.

As an adult, I've been out with the local farmers lamping. Every time, an animal was shot, sometimes up to half a dozen a night, every weekend for a month. That was just one or two farms.

Since the hunting ban, shooting, gassing and poisoning are where it's at in terms of indiscriminate and wholesale removal of the fox population.

It says more about the town than the countryside that it's more acceptable to give the animal zero chance of escape and survival. The only difference appears to be that no one should derive 'sport' or enjoyment from the chase... far better to be totally cold blooded and dispassionately efficient about it. Still, different folk have a different criteria for what they think is appropriate, I suppose.

At least the law is finally showing some common sense and not being bullied by know nothing politicians over this issue.

 

[deuse]

I despair at people sometimes, the dude is 51 years old and has the same understanding of the food chain as a foetus.

Oh dear

 

[RDM]

it's transparent that foxes may, on occasion, kill all the chickens in a coop, but if this has increased because of the hunting ban why haven't we seen any figures related to this being published in the media? could it be because there hasn't been any substantial increase in chicken killings? or just because the stories and pictures serve as a means to an end to continue this horrific blood sport and blot on our claim to being a 'civilized' society.

Alternatively it is because the papers know that most of the public is anti fox hunting and so don't bother to publish stories that would alienate their readership.

 

[DominicStar]

It says more about the town than the countryside that it's more acceptable to give the animal zero chance of escape and survival.

That's a good way of dressing it up... people generally realise the fox population needs to be controlled.

On the otherhand, I struggle to see how the enormous sums of money spent by hunts on everything from keeping large amounts of pedigree dogs and expensive horses and retainers is even recouped in economic benefit to farmers (we see a lot of stories about no foxes killed on a hunt). In fact, I don't struggle, because like anyone else I can see that the reason they are doing it is sport. It is plainly obvious to anyone with their own thought process, not hiding behind the class war or the typical British excuse of 'its how it's always been'.

If people on hunts argued that they liked a bloodthirsty sport in the tradition of proving they are good and fast enough to ride for the military, I would have a lot more respect for them.

 

[swanseajack]

Anybody that supports hunting in this way should be shot, animals are animals, we killed off the wolf, now we are picking on the fox, do they kill humans? No, the quicker they prosecuted people for breaking the LAW the better.

 

[arknor]

i'm also glad to see police are being diverted to more important 'crimes'.

they will probably have the officers diverted to sitting in red light districts taking down number platesor pretending to be hookers instead. maybe more speed camera vans if they need the money

 

[Rainmaker]

Anybody that supports hunting in this way should be shot, animals are animals, we killed off the wolf, now we are picking on the fox, do they kill humans? No, the quicker they prosecuted people for breaking the LAW the better.

Most of the responses from the antis on this thread since my last visit barely dignify a response, tbh. This, however, tickled me. "ZOMFG, the human killed an animal. Death to them!". How very balanced and compassionate of you. Yes, I see why you like animals so much, and how it's possible for you to become so venomous towards a human killing an animal. The obvious solution is to advocate death to the person(s) involved. How very logical.

Responses like that terrify me (and most normal people) far, far more than someone who is willing to deal with a problem fox, by whatever method. Animal rights terrorists abound, and with a cavalier attitude towards human life like that, no wonder.

Newsflash. Animals are animals? Humans are animals too. We're what they call apex predators. A generation or two of Wetherspoons visiting, kebab munching, tracksuit and trainer wearing town life isn't about to extinguish that from the majority of the population. Especially that percentage actually raised in and around nature rather than taking their 'learning' from sensationalist leftie newspapers and PETA's website.

Folk can accuse me of rallying at the 'class war' all they like. Seriously, it makes me LOL every time. I must be the only toff born and bred on a council estate! Oh, wait... there's millions of us, and we all just happen to love the countryside around us and know more about what makes it tick than anyone who has to take their facts about the countryside from the Guardian or Independent.

Laughable comments about 'picking on' foxes and all those other ridiculous mantras of the uninformed just go to highlight the inadequacy of your actual experience. If they made it illegal to moan about people killing animals, effective tomorrow, would you never whinge again? I bet you wouldn't stop. When government takes a cash bribe to pass legislation on behalf of animal rights fringe lunatics, too right the sensible majority will ignore them and work away at correcting the injustice.

It's actually illegal to consume mince pies on Christmas day. It's also illegal to use any kind of slide or sledge on ice or snow. The sooner those people are prosecuted for breaking the LAW the better...

Anyway, I digress. Carry on.

 

[arknor]

why is every fox a problem fox to you? your brainwashed since birth into hating foxes and seeing them as the enemy or something.

seriously you dont seem right in the head

 

[Rainmaker]

why is every fox a problem fox to you? your brainwashed since birth into hating foxes and seeing them as the enemy or something.

I'll take that as a question rather than a statement. No, I'm not brainwashed. Actually I'm the only person in my family who hunts or carries out pest control in any way, shape or form. I didn't become interested in the countryside, farming, hunting and pest control until I was in my early teens. So much for brainwashing.

'Every' fox is by no means a problem fox. A fox in the right environment is a beauty and a joy to behold, and has his place in our ecosystem. An important place at that! The funny thing is, us 'brainwashed brutes' probably know more about Vulpes vulpes, its lifecycle and habits than any anti spouting off in opposition of hunting.

Do you partake in any management or care taking of this great nation's wilderness and countryside; its ecosystem? Or are you just preaching from your town-house without any actual experience?

seriously you dont seem right in the head

From an anti, I'll definitely take that as a compliment.