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Yep, im a troll. This thread is off topic enough now...
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Yep, im a troll. This thread is off topic enough now...
You win
Im willing to discuss over e-mail if you wish for the sake of the thread. gg thx
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I'm a 20 year old student mounting up over £6k of debt a year.
I'd be a complete and utter moron to buy and run a car unless, like a lot of other students, daddy paid for it. Even if I bought a clapped out banger I still wouldn't be seen dead giving an insurance company over a grand because other people my age destroy their cars on a regular basis.
I think most people in my position would be happy driving their parents' car(s) for free
So hang on. You said your mum bought a new Mini Graphite, then you did, now it's your mum again?
I believe you were quite adamant that it was yours when I said it was your mums?
Can we take a step back.
This is a thread about the Mini Graphite. I am actually able to answer the OP's question and offer further help and advice once it's delivered.
Other people come in and start trying to accuse me of one thing or another. That failing, they'll post comments trying to evoke a negative response or try starting an argument for the sake of it. Hardly productive.
Typical Example:
You know fully well that it was purchased by my mum but it's insured and registered in my name. You also know that it's hers and she has priority access to it. Why ask a question you know the answer to? How or why is it relevant to anything?
This is a thread about the Mini Graphite. I am actually able to answer the OP's question and offer further help and advice once it's delivered.
Other people come in and start trying to accuse me of one thing or another. That failing, they'll post comments trying to evoke a negative response or try starting an argument for the sake of it. Hardly productive.
Typical Example:
You know fully well that it was purchased by my mum but it's insured and registered in my name. You also know that it's hers and she has priority access to it. Why ask a question you know the answer to? How or why is it relevant to anything?
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Yep, im a troll. This thread is off topic enough now...
You win
Glad you saw sense..
Back OT
Can the government new car scheme not be used against cars like this? £2K of the RRP would surely make it slightly more of a reasonable buy?
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I really think the word 'troll' is thrown around far too often on these forums. A troll is a certain type of person who posts ONLY to create arguments. A troll is not somebody who has a different point of view to you. Scott212 is not a troll, he just has strong opinions on Mini's.
His opinion isn't worthless simply because he doesn't own a car and has never bought his own car but its important to remember that he doesn't have experience of owning his own car to give context to his opinions, thats all. It's very easy to throw around statements like 'Well yea but thats what it costs and its stylish' when it isnt your money and you've never been in a position of having to decide how much of your OWN money to put into a car.
Just like back in 2002 it was important to remember I had no experience of anything more exotic than a crap diesel Citroen, which gave interesting context to my opinions
His opinion isn't worthless simply because he doesn't own a car and has never bought his own car but its important to remember that he doesn't have experience of owning his own car to give context to his opinions, thats all. It's very easy to throw around statements like 'Well yea but thats what it costs and its stylish' when it isnt your money and you've never been in a position of having to decide how much of your OWN money to put into a car.
Just like back in 2002 it was important to remember I had no experience of anything more exotic than a crap diesel Citroen, which gave interesting context to my opinions
Christ, 16 4 I'm glad I steered the other half away from new and convinced her to buy an 18 month old Cooper S Works.
One thing we kept getting told when looking at Minis was how good their residual values were, I can't see it myself. Hers started off 28K new
18 months and 25000 miles later and she picked it up for almost 13 grand less.Surely the days of getting these incredible used car bargains for such young cars are coming to an end now, certainly the case in a few years time unless the economy makes a radical recovery.
To some people buying cars brand new seems crazy. I personally think it's crazy to waste money on personalised number plates. Each to their own, and there will be reasons, people don't just go out and buy brand new cars so they can boast about their 09 plate.
To some people buying cars brand new seems crazy. I personally think it's crazy to waste money on personalised number plates. Each to their own, and there will be reasons, people don't just go out and buy brand new cars so they can boast about their 09 plate.
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Errrr do you know anything at all about economics?
Used car prices are set by one thing and one thing alone - supply and demand. As demand for something falls, so too does its price. The worse the economy gets, the less people buy cars, the lower the demand is and thus, the lower the price. It's absolutely basic economics. Used cars will almost always be considerably cheaper and 'bargains' compared to new cars simply because if they were not, nobody would buy them.
So why do people pay thousands upon thousands more?
How can anybody studying economics think used car prices will increase when demand falls 
You'd need a major supply reduction for that?
People pay thousands more for a variety of reasons, some valid, others not. It's also a big perception thing. People PERCEIVE lots about various ways of buying a car and buy based on this. Many people are oblivious to the facts.
You'd need a major supply reduction for that?People pay thousands more for a variety of reasons, some valid, others not. It's also a big perception thing. People PERCEIVE lots about various ways of buying a car and buy based on this. Many people are oblivious to the facts.
[TW]Fox;14152080 said:How can anybody studying economics think used car prices will increase when demand falls
Be very careful about applying total black and white theory to the real world.
Although a market can decline, it can also 'shift', and this has happened to some segments..
My mate sold his Laguna Diesel estate to a dealer accross the road for more then it's forecourt price.. the Dealer has put prices up 10% in the last 4 months and has been struggling to get new stock.. He deals in affordable, economical cars (£3K-£5K)..
wait, what?
a dealer bought a car for more than he's selling it for?
Sorry, more then price guide's forecourt price..
, and considering 2 months earlier, he'd nearly let it go for almost bottom book trade in at the main dealers made it even more incredulous (yet true)..The dealer then priced it up at £450 more then that, and it sold within the week..
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So he deals in £3-5k cars, put his prices up 10%, so £500 at the most, and this has resulted in him needing to buy cars for more than RETAIL book?!
It's true that at the lower end of the market a supply reduction after last years complete nosdive has caused prices to firm up a bit but frankly your story is stretching credibility
It's true that at the lower end of the market a supply reduction after last years complete nosdive has caused prices to firm up a bit but frankly your story is stretching credibility
[TW]Fox;14152563 said:So he deals in £3-5k cars, put his prices up 10%, so £500 at the most, and this has resulted in him needing to buy cars for more than RETAIL book?!
It's true that at the lower end of the market a supply reduction after last years complete nosdive has caused prices to firm up a bit but frankly your story is stretching credibility
He used to sell slightly below book when supply was plentiful, and now sells slightly over book due to increased cost of stock.. That is over the last 4 months.. and he deals mainly in mid to small diesels/small petrols..
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