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Which card to buy,4870X2 or GTX295?

If you play FSX however, you might want to stick with NVIDIA. For everything else there is an X2 :-) or X2x2 as I am going to be finding out soon!
 
michaelmk86 said:
First of all you can find the GTX295 much cheaper.
Secondly you will get much more problems with the 4870x2.

Also the GTX295 is faster than 4870x2 and the GTX295 OC well. ATI performs very poor in games like cryostasis, the last remnant, dead space, mirrors edge and many others.

So I will say that the GTX295 is worth it.
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Is it fact you'll get more problems with the X2? Because you're just brown-talking.
 
michaelmk86 said:
Secondly you will get much more problems with the 4870x2.
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Lol. You make Roff sound like an ATI salesman.

Please, for the sake of enlightening the original poster, explain what these many problems are.

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Just to completely contradict your claim, take these google results:

Results 1 - 10 of about 417,000 for nvidia BSOD. (0.17 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 316,000 for ati BSOD. (0.23 seconds)

And before you call me a fanboy, I currently have two nvidia cards.
 
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Buy the GTX 295 if you want to make a Folding@home farm.

4870X2 if you want decent value for money.

GTX 260/275/285 if you run 24/7 idle for most of the time and you are the electric bill payer. :D
 
uv said:
Fine, I'll accept that. Now, do you care to actually explain just what the many problems with ATI cards are?
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I'll have a guess.

His own user error
His own user error
His own user error
His own incompetance
His own delusion
His own stupidity
His own user error
Fanboyism
Inability to understand the concept of opinion
Inability to understand the concept of user experiences vary greatly between people

By his logic, anyone who has had a run of poor nvidia experiences can state it is fact that nvdia are poor because they think so.

Worst thing is, this is the reason why I don't like nvidia, because this idiot is expressing an opinion that is the same as nvidia's.

'We are the best, because we are, and because we are the best, we'll let you know we're the best by overpricing our products because overpricing doesn't actually mean it's overpriced it means quality, because we're the best when we aren't the best."

In other words, they think they're great simply because that think they are.

I know they make good cards, but I really can't stand their attitude.

If you're going to make outrageous claims, at least be prepared with something to say other than 'because in my opinion' or 'because in my experience'.
 
kylew said:
His own user error
His own user error
His own user error
His own incompetance
His own delusion
His own stupidity
His own user error
Fanboyism
Inability to understand the concept of opinion
Inability to understand the concept of user experiences vary greatly between people
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Just choked on my drink from laughing, thanks very much! :p
 
michaelmk86 said:
That is because more people use nvidia cards.
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That graph is a load of crap. The majority of computers have intel GPUs because they're running onboard graphics in PCs that are mainly used for office use.

So that graph is rubbish, it's obviously not to demonstrate discrete graphics because intel doesn't do any as of yet.

If you look up 'graphics market share' you'll see the true figures with intel at over 40% share alone.

Quarter One 2009,

Intel 49%

nVidia 31%

ATi 17%

Other 3%

Each percentage I've rounded to the nearest whole number.

You really do need to stop selectively using things to back up what you're saying. Not everyone uses steam, their surveys aren't going to account for everyone. There are loads of users out there that hate the concept of steam and refuse to use it as well as those who just don't do the surveys.
 
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michaelmk86 said:
First of all you can find the GTX295 much cheaper.
Secondly you will get much more problems with the 4870x2.

Also the GTX295 is 15% faster than 4870x2 and the GTX295 OC well. ATI performs very poor in games like cryostasis, the last remnant, dead space, mirrors edge and many others.

So I will say that the GTX295 is worth it.
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the reason your games list stopped there, is because thats where it stops. You know why, physx, a couple of those games use physx to do pointless things, in fairly crap games that are very very short and pathetically easy and dull, some of us even have the audacity to accuse the " clean basic vibrant" style of Mirror's edge, simply a way to make a very quick easy plain game, as a showcase for physx. widely slated, no replay value, low sales, and iirc it was dropped to about 1/3 the price within a couple weeks because it was selling so badly.

Likewise, Deadspace does weirdly run incredibly badly on ati software, even though that "badly" is over 100fps with AA at 1920x1200 on a x2, that 200fps on a 295gtx really really shows the difference, especially in a fairly slow paced horror, thank god.

Now if you stack that list up, against arguably the most popular/widespread games of late, Crysis, Fallout 3, Farcry 2, the 295 is barely faster(if at all) than the 4870x2, for a massive increase in cost. I think its not completely unfair to say its roughly 15% faster card on average, but even when you find the 295gtx for "far cheaper" than ocuk, its not the £270 it would need to maintain price/performance ratio the 4870x2 has, infact its still way way way more than that.

There really isn't a game I can name that isn't playable on a 4870x2, that is suddenly playable on a 295gtx, both cards eat everything up with ease, you wouldn't have any noticeable difference using either card, so paying more for either would be, well, stupid.
 
What's all this about Micro stuttering on the 4870 x2.. I had this with my 8800gtx sli setup and Is damn right annoying.

Does the lower fps of the gtx 285 outweigh the annoyance of micro stuttering of the 4870 x2?

Opinions please..

Im using a q6600 and gaming at 1920 x 1200 all the way, so what would be the best for me to achieve a smooth frame rate.
 
Dear Jesus, protect us from fanboys. Amen.

Right, anyone vaguely sane should look at their budget, look at price to performance ratios for around that price and see which ones give the best bang for buck.

If you know that a particular COMPONENT has problems, by all means it's a good idea to avoid it - but to dump a whole company's product line aside because you had a problem once is just dumb.

If you think one brand/feature is better, decide how much that's worth to you - for me I place about £20 on OCZ PSUs over generic, and £10 on modular over non. For others it might be that they're willing to spend £20 to get a core2 over a phenom2... but you should accept that others may feel the other way due to their own experiences, or simply have no preference.

Most people will have no problem with any card, and will want the bang for buck. If you're repeatedly having problems with a certain brand, you're probably the weak link. PEBKAC, as the old saying goes.
 
fluidz Id go for the asus one due to what would appear to be superior cooling, micro stutter occurs on BOTH NVidia and ATI platforms, its a problem with multi GPU set ups, the only way around it would be to get the fastest single card and stick with that, which would be 285 closely followed by a 4890.
Loadsmoney I stand corrected on the architecture of the 295, Im sure u know more :D about this
Edit: Id got confused, found this, obviously where I came up with the 2x260 idea from

What you get from the GTX 295 is not quite as much computing power as a pair of GeForce GTX 285 cards. All 240 stream processors are intact on each GPU, but one ROP partition is deactivated. As a result, each GPU can output 28 pixels per clock rather than 32, with a corresponding drop in antialiasing power. Also, because ROP partitions have memory controllers in 'em, each GPU has a 448-bit aggregate path to memory and 896MB of RAM instead of a full gigabyte. Many of these numbers will no doubt sound familiar if you know about the GeForce GTX 260, which also has one of its ROPs deactivated
 
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