For more information, search online..

so how is tax.dvla.gov.uk not natural language?

It is .. TAX paid to the DVLA who are part of the GOVernment of the UK.

It's not my fault DVLA have not learnt how to use subdomains.

And for the record ... "road tax" on Google takes you to direct.gov.uk and not even DVLA website (which is correct I guess - but why do you need to have direct.gov.uk when dvla.gov.uk could do the job just as well?)

Did you really type that on the internet? tax.dvla.gov.uk is not natural language, FACT.

you also seem to have spectacularly missed my point, which is that google gets you to the right page straight away using the key words suggested dvla.gov.uk does not.
 
"Hey pay your road tax online, seaerch for us (DVLA), we'll be on page 4 of your results dependant on which browser your using (que list of popular browsers that might not include yours)"

yeah I can see this really taking off against www.dvla.gov.uk

heck why not make it easier to remember and just do http://dvla.tk ??? surely that would be better?
 
I love the .tk url, short and easy. I humbly await the 1 character url reference. That will be the day when there are no counties just one entity. and its name will begin with Z....

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Boy have I got some stories regarding the DVLA, I used to work there and the stuff that got covered up so that it wouldn't be leaked etc

We all know the DVLA are a bunch of imcompetent monkeys; nothing you call tell us could possibly shock us (they managed to my wipe my bike entitlement; lose my license while fixing bike entitlement; send me a replacement that STILL had no bike entitlement on it and then try to charge me for losing my license :/ MONKEYS as I said).
 
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How about to ease work in the medical section we were told to change certain answers to a question on the form meaning that there are now quit a few people on the roads today that wouldn't be allowed to drive if they had been left alone..

Or members of staff stealing cheques and postal orders that where sent in with application forms, and instead of admitting that it happens they ask you to resign quietly and they won't get the police involved so no charges are ever brought against these people.
 
The companies that are doing this are the ones that have invested in Search Engine Optimisation and are confident that if people type in words related to their area of business will be directed to their website.
SEO is big business at the moment.
 
Working on a helpdesk you quickly realise that the the vast majority of users have no idea what the "Address Bar" really is. I assume that's why these ads are now simply saying "search for <blahblahblah>".

Most home users have their browsers so filled with toolbars, search bars, and whatever other **** it'd make you cry - but that's how they do it.

For example :

ME : Go to www.whatever.com for me.
USER : One minute....<typing>....OK, I've got <this>, <this>, <this>, <this>.
ME : *Sigh*....the fourth one.
 
[TW]Fox;14170006 said:
But until very recently we've been more than capable of being told that 'To find out more about car tax, visit DVLA.gov.uk'.

It's only of late we've got this retarded dumbed-down cater to the idiots approach. Sigh.

That's an incredibly blinkered and quite frankly idiotic view to take. I hope you don't mind me saying but you seem to have a very rigid set of standards around which you base your opinions and in my opinion they have no reflection on how people in the "real world" go about their business. A lot of people are quite like you in that they base their opinions and their choices on a rigid set of standards developed many years ago when they were whippersnappers. Opinions towards new technology in particular. There are still vast amounts of people out there who have no interest in computing whatsoever. The internet continues to permeate our daily tasks to the point where certain tasks can only be conducted online and not via post or face to face co-ordination.

Let's take my father for example. He has never used a computer in anger and currently has no need for one whatsoever. He is not interested in computing and has no desire whatsoever to learn anything about them. He is content with his life minus a PC. He still cannot differentiate between an email address and a URL. For example, I was explaining to him about my new website for my charity event and on giving him the URL, his reply was "is that @btinternet.com?"

Is he an idiot? Maybe from your perspective, but is someone who doesn't know or care about a particular technology an idiot for not understanding it? I know this following example is not quite as comparable in that the technology involved isn't quite as well known throughout the masses but the principle still applies. If I asked you to explain to me the criteria for providing three miles radar separation between two aircraft at the same level would you be an idiot for not being able to comprehend what I was talking about? No, because you neither care nor want to know the answer. It is completely irrelevant to you and even startign to explain the basics of the answer would completely confuse you.

Like I said before, the same principles apply. My dad in his fifty odd years has never had to enter a URL or email someone on a computer. It's easy for you and I to declare such a task as unbelievably simple but we have been tinkering with computers from before we were able to walk. The underlying skills involved are frequently disregarded and often forgetten.

Before you dismiss someone who is unable to enter a URL as an idiot, consider the circumstances behind it before you make such a sweeping statement. Who knows, you might find that when you are fifty plus that new technology completely baffles you.
 
For example :

ME : Go to www.whatever.com for me.
USER : One minute....<typing>....OK, I've got <this>, <this>, <this>, <this>.
ME : *Sigh*....the fourth one.

I can relate to this one, working for an ISP.

Trying to get customers to type in the router's IP is fun. They usually type it into the search bar and then proceed to read out line after line of Google search results.

Argh :(
 
Before you dismiss someone who is unable to enter a URL as an idiot, consider the circumstances behind it before you make such a sweeping statement. Who knows, you might find that when you are fifty plus that new technology completely baffles you.

First, my thanks for the patronising rant.

Secondly, this is NOT new technology. The internet has been around for more than two decades and a part of most peoples daily life for 10 years or more now. Until very recently, website URL's were a part of most advertising and people did not have any trouble with them.

The other dangerous assumption here is that everyone uses google. On some search engines, the correct result for 'Road Tax' is the 4th link displayed, the first three being sponsored links for other companies. This is the danger of using this method, the organisation has a lack of control over where competitors and misleading sites show up in the search results.

Call me old fashioned if you like but if you intend to purchase an use a peice of equipment it is a good idea to spend a few minutes familiarising yourself with the absolute basics of how it works rather than blundering your way through it with a plethora of patronising excuses as to why you can't use it properly. My grandmother is 75 years old and is able to enter website URL's into a web browser. Anyone can do it with 10 minutes of reading. It is unreasonable to expect 'normal' people to be completely computer literate, but if you can grasp going to google you can grasp going to any website somebody gives you with more than 10 minutes of training/reading.

What next, bouncy cushions on the road because hey, some people are not very good at steering?

If I asked you to explain to me the criteria for providing three miles radar separation between two aircraft at the same level would you be an idiot for not being able to comprehend what I was talking about? No, because you neither care nor want to know the answer.

Providing radar seperation is not a basic home appliance. It is not something everyone uses in their daily life and is it not a work-easing tool which can be used to, for example, tax my car. Therefore your point is completely and utterly irrelevent. If I had a need to know this criteria, ie, I did something which related to it, then yes, I'd be a bit of an idiot for not learning the basics of it. Most people now have a need, or a want, to use the internet. If they didn't it wouldnt matter if they know how to use a URL or not because they wouldn't use the internet.
 
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[TW]Fox;14175731 said:
First, my thanks for the patronising rant.

Hey, when you're as patronising and as condescending as you are you should expect similar retorts. Don't let it surprise you old boy.
 
Hey, when you're as patronising and as condescending as you are you should expect similar retorts. Don't let it surprise you old boy.

I do like the way you've managed to swerve my rational post and focus entirely on the first sentance. Easier than admitting your analogy about air traffic control was deeply flawed I guess.

Still, I'm both a whippersnapper *and* an old boy now. Interesting!
 
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