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Serious design flaw on certain 4870/4890's

regardless if it effects 100 people out of a million or 100k out of a million its still has an effect and its still an issue regardless of the number of people effected.

sure most wont be worried about it. but then again there arent many enthusiasts out there compared to the general user. either way its a problem that has been known about from the beginning question still remains, whats going to be done about the existing cards out there that can never reach thier full potential due to shoddy power supply on the cards?

I said it an issue that most would & should not worry about.
 
My comments from what others have said in the thread that there is no proof that the NV card is being fully utilised besides the obvious of ATI having more shaders & getting higher fps because of that.

another thing is, whats to say the ati card is still not being fully utilised in the test? who knows its possible occt pushes the usage up to 80 or 85% and causes the black out. the theoretical max current pull for the core could be well in access of 100 amps. ya naver know?


also dont think that im having a stab at ati only on this. im waiting eagerly for something to push my nvidia card even higher. i love stress tester apps. i believe the harder the stress test is the faster it is for me to do overclock testing. and it is deffo true. 50 hours of prime is useless compared to 5 mins of linpak.

hope nvidia and ati release a tool like linpak for thier gpus so i can do proper stress testing and find my overclocks even faster.


you think im drilling amd/ati over this issue. they are getting it easy mate, im peed over this and i dont even have an ati card. imagine how peed im gonna be if it turns out my gtx260 or 8800gt is shafted. :mad:
 
50 hours of prime is useless compared to 5 mins of linpak.

It's statements like this which result in people saying you have no idea what you're talking about. Many people have had crashes in prime and games when IBT/LinX has reported their system stable. However others have had prime and gaming fine but had IBT and LinX fail. To gain the best idea of as stable system, it's best to use more than one stress testing app. But being a connoisseur of stress testing apps, you should know that right...

Please stop talking rubbish.
 
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It;s statement like why people say you have no idea what you're talking about. Many people have had crashes in prime and games when IBT/LinX has reported their system stable. However others have had prime and gaming fine but had IBT and LinX fail.

Please stop talking rubbish.

dont be daft lad, it depends on your test methods. prime blend is only useful test in prime which stresses the memory controller and memory.

iv had linpak go for 22 hours with no errors but prime blend picked up a error in 14 hours, after much fiddling around it turned out to be a northbridge problem for me the memory controller crapped out on me.

however for pure cpu stress testing assuming your memory and memory controller are not making any errors then linpak will always be better than prime.

so your the one who doesnt have a clue here mate. hit the road.
 
another thing is, whats to say the ati card is still not being fully utilised in the test? who knows its possible occt pushes the usage up to 80 or 85% and causes the black out. the theoretical max current pull for the core could be well in access of 100 amps. ya naver know?


also dont think that im having a stab at ati only on this. im waiting eagerly for something to push my nvidia card even higher. i love stress tester apps. i believe the harder the stress test is the faster it is for me to do overclock testing. and it is deffo true. 50 hours of prime is useless compared to 5 mins of linpak.

hope nvidia and ati release a tool like linpak for thier gpus so i can do proper stress testing and find my overclocks even faster.


you think im drilling amd/ati over this issue. they are getting it easy mate, im peed over this and i dont even have an ati card. imagine how peed im gonna be if it turns out my gtx260 or 8800gt is shafted. :mad:

OCCt not utilising 100% of the 48XX is pretty much irreverent under the circumstances when the amp limit as already been breached.

You not having a stab at ATI ? I didn't join this forum yesterday you know.
 
It's statements like this why people say you have no idea what you're talking about. Many people have had crashes in prime and games when IBT/LinX has reported their system stable. However others have had prime and gaming fine but had IBT and LinX fail. To gain the best idea of as stable system, it's best to use more than one stress testing app. But being a connoisseur of stress testing apps, you should know that right...

Please stop talking rubbish.

I my self have passed Prime 12 hours & still had an unstable system with other tests.

Like you suggested you have to run numerous test.

I have also passed Linpack & had an unstable system.
 
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OCCt not utilising 100% of the 48XX is pretty much irreverent under the circumstances when the amp limit as already been breached.

You not having a stab at ATI ? I didn't join this forum yesterday you know.

well you didnt even know what cards were being discussed untill i pointed it out to you so ya naver know pal. ;)

question still remains, what sort of load % is the trigger point for the shut down. 82amp is the power supply limit, the gpu load is deffo not 100% at 82amps consumption.

someone with 4 phase power regulation 4870 said thier card was stable at 87amp draw in occt, so question is, do you think the gpu is at 80% load at 87amps? or over 95% load at 87 amps?
 
I my self have passed Prime 12 hours & still had an unstable system with other tests.

Like you suggested you have to run numerous test.

as have i, but as iv said prime is not the best cpu tester, its better as a memory/memory controller test. but linpak is pure cpu test and its far more effective in that area than prime ever will be.
 
as have i, but as iv said prime is not the best cpu tester, its better as a memory/memory controller test. but linpak is pure cpu test and its far more effective in that area than prime ever will be.

My bad for the ninja edit but even linpak is not the end & be all of test.

I have past linpak & managed to crash my OCed CPU with just running the Vista performance test when its on the CPU part of the test.
 
Lol @ Cyber-Mav. I hope Nvidia are paying you well.

why u hope that? i dont work with nvidia. and none of my post show any bias towards nvidia. they have had thier issues in the past and iv drilled them for it too. if they had this issue and it effected my card you can expect a bigger fuss to be made from me about it than this ati matter.

no point picking sides in anything pal. you dont cut yourself off from any supplier. i just buy the best product for my needs. cant blame me if the best product was provided by nvidia at the time.
 
My bad for the ninja edit but even linpak is not the end & be all of test.

I have past linpak & managed to crash my OCed CPU with just running the Vista performance test when its on the CPU part of the test.

your pc is seriously messed up pal. you need to get someone else to take a look at it. you didnt even know you were using ati 38 series cards earlier. and now your getting crashes in the vista performance test?? thats some stability issues you have there. cant be software issues since your using vista and that os is 100% bomb proof too :D
 
well you didnt even know what cards were being discussed untill i pointed it out to you so ya naver know pal. ;)

question still remains, what sort of load % is the trigger point for the shut down. 82amp is the power supply limit, the gpu load is deffo not 100% at 82amps consumption.

someone with 4 phase power regulation 4870 said thier card was stable at 87amp draw in occt, so question is, do you think the gpu is at 80% load at 87amps? or over 95% load at 87 amps?

Re read the thread again about the part of me not knowing what card we are on about.
You ether missed it or really don't understand Sarcasm.

Why don't you buy a 4870 4 phase & ask the OCCT author if he can make a test to push further as it purely theoretical at this point.
 
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your pc is seriously messed up pal. you need to get someone else to take a look at it. you didnt even know you were using ati 38 series cards earlier. and now your getting crashes in the vista performance test?? thats some stability issues you have there. cant be software issues since your using vista and that os is 100% bomb proof too :D

Nothing wrong with my PC.
Anyone can push an OC that can crash with the Vista cpu test while trying to find the best stable OC.

No OS is 100% bomb proof.

Your wasting mine & your own time with the continued 38XX comments.
 
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Re read the thread again about the part of me not knowing what card we are on about.
You ether missed it or really don't understand Sarcasm.

Why don't you buy a 4870 4 phase & ask the OCCT author if he can make a test to push futuer as it purely theoretical at this point.

i have asked for a harder test to be made expecially one that can hit my nvidia cards more.

as for sarcasm not sure i follow you on that pal i dont really know you well enough to know if your making a joke or your being serious?
 
Nothing wrong with my PC.
Anyone can push an OC that can crash with the Vista cpu test while trying to find the best stable OC.

hold on i dont seem to get you on this. are you saying that the vista cpu test is more stressful than prime and linpak? or is this more of your sarcasm?
 
hold on i dont seem to get you on this. are you saying that the vista cpu test is more stressful than prime and linpak? or is this more of your sarcasm?

You understand that word now.

Nope as every test has limitation on what part of the CPU & system it stresses & the way it goes about it.

Variety is the spice of life after all.

And you really are just wasting time now.
 
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