Istanbul - TURKEY Grand Prix 2009 - Race 7/17

I'm also hearing rumours that Formtech, the company who purchased Super Aguri's F1 Facilities in Leafield, have submitted an entry under the Brabham name!
 
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Only two more teams can join as far as I know (unless some others leave 1st of course) for maximum of 12 teams / 24 cars , unless they have changed that rule as well recently..... hmmm when did it become 13 teams (seeiing as they have never had No 13 car I find it surprising they would have 13 teams)?

Well done to OP fantastic starting post.

RB and Ferrari will be chasing the Brawns for the win I think - and McLaren will have a mare, but I just cant see how Rubens is going to beat Button without a failure of some kind coming into play

Personally like to see Prodrive as a team back (although they where behind BAR/Honda for a time in some capacity) but March would be good to see as well
 
Great post Acid :)

I love this track and massa has done very well here.
so I think JB/RB/Massa will do well on this track.
 
Only two more teams can join as far as I know (unless some others leave 1st of course) for maximum of 12 teams / 24 cars , unless they have changed that rule as well recently..... hmmm when did it become 13 teams (seeiing as they have never had No 13 car I find it surprising they would have 13 teams)?

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But then you would be wrong mate :p

It is a maximum of 26 cars (13 teams) allowed on the grid, everything I have read says maximum 26 cars on the grid.
 
But then you would be wrong mate :p

It is a maximum of 26 cars (13 teams) allowed on the grid, everything I have read says maximum 26 cars on the grid.

I have just found this link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8025566.stm

Which seems to suggest that the number is changing for 2010 season to the 13 teams / 26 cars you suggested from the 12/ 24 in past seasons ;)

Unless Toyota start having real success very soon, I can see them leaving very shortly budget cap or no budget cap (which will mean potentially 4 new teams)
 
Personally like to see Prodrive as a team back (although they where behind BAR/Honda for a time in some capacity) but March would be good to see as well

I don't think Prodrive had anything to do with BAR other than Richards being the team head for a while. Until Honda removed the snake for trying to stitch up button :D

I think Prodrive liked to call BAR the prodrive managed team but other than Richards I don't think they added much?

I couldn't stand richards when he ran benetton either.
 
I don't think Prodrive had anything to do with BAR other than Richards being the team head for a while. Until Honda removed the snake for trying to stitch up button :D

I think Prodrive liked to call BAR the prodrive managed team but other than Richards I don't think they added much?

I couldn't stand richards when he ran benetton either.

You may be right - but at that time I kept on hearing about Prodrive engineering (with a small "e") maybe I just put 2 + 2 together and made 5, but also remember BAT / 555 sponsored the Prodrive / Subaru rally team for a very long time as well - so it may well have been plausable

Personally far prefer Richards to Flav!!!
 
It's 12 of June when FIA decide which teams will be in 2010 so not long to see who is to join. Lets hope we have clarification of 2010 rules by then as well.

Sundays weather.
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And just found this very good. Added to OP as will do for following races as well.

Istanbul Park - a Formula One set-up guide
The purpose-built anti-clockwise circuit on the outskirts of Istanbul offers a mix of challenging low and high-speed corners and has already established its position as a firm favourite with the drivers. Overtaking is difficult, especially in the first half of the lap, but the long back straight leading into the tight hairpin of Turn 12 offers the ideal opportunity for a lunge under braking. Combine this with the challenge of Turn Eight, which is one of the most demanding of the year, and you have all the ingredients for an exciting Grand Prix. Renault explain how they plan to ready the R29 for racing…

Suspension
As a relatively new facility the track surface at Istanbul is in good condition and the kerbs are not especially aggressive, which makes it quite straightforward to find a stable car balance. Renault will seek a compromise between stiffer settings for the high-speed part of the lap to give a good change of direction, and softer settings for the low-speed section, particularly the final few corners to ensure good mechanical grip.

Driver Nelson Piquet explains: "It's quite difficult to find the right compromise with car set-up at Istanbul because the lap is so varied in terms of corner speeds and grip. The last three corners of the lap are the slowest on the circuit, taken in second gear at around 80 km/h. Turn 12 after the long back straight is the biggest braking zone of the circuit and offers the best overtaking opportunity of the lap. It's easy to make a mistake here and go in too deep, which puts you out of position for the final couple of corners and can cost you a lot of time."

Aerodynamics
There are few critical high-speed corners at Istanbul Park, but the team will still run with medium downforce settings in order to carry good speed through the long left-hander of Turn Eight, which puts high g-forces through the drivers' necks.

Fernando Alonso explains: "Turn Eight is one of the quickest and longest left hand corners of the year. It's really a series of corners with four apexes, although we treat it as one apex and try to be as smooth as possible with the steering inputs. We don't touch the brake at any stage through the corner, and simply lift the throttle slightly to keep the car online. In the middle of the corner we're doing about 260km/h and you can really feel the g-forces on your body. It's easy to understeer wide in this corner, which will cost you a lot of time, but there's plenty of run-off to save you."

While the aero grip keeps the cars glued to the track through Turn Eight, it is mechanical grip that predominates between Turns Three to Five and Turns 12 to 14.

Brakes
The braking zone into Turn 12 after the long back straight is the most significant on the circuit. It also represents the best overtaking opportunity and will normally see plenty of action during the Grand Prix. Overall the circuit is not particularly demanding on the brakes, which have enough time to cool on the long straights before the main braking zones, although with medium downforce settings the drivers may struggle with locking of the rear brakes.

Tyres
The Turkish Grand Prix is quite a demanding track on the tyres, largely due to Turn Eight which puts high loadings through the tyres, particularly the front right. To avoid any potential problems, we can adjust suspension settings and front wing angle; however, we must always be mindful of finding the correct balance between protecting the tyres and maintaining mechanical grip, to ensure the car is quick in the more technical parts of the circuit. Bridgestone will supply the hard and soft compounds from their 2009 range, as was the case for the Spanish Grand Prix earlier in the year.

Engine
Istanbul presents a varied workout for the engine, requiring both good top speed and low end performance. Turn Eight remains a constant concern where the engine is concerned as it is important to ensure effective power delivery at high revs for good performance in this high-speed corner. Overall around 65 percent of the lap is spent on full throttle, which is about average for the circuits on the calendar.
 
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Is there any rules that state each team must have 2 cars?

Certainly a maximum of two - but its also a case from a team's point of view, the 2nd car costs relatively little compared to having all your eggs in one basket if you only have one car, and plenty of benefits

(ie with a 2nd car at least you have a slim chance of getting something from the weekend if one car crashes / retires or what not - but you wouldnt of course with only one car)
 
Pretty sure it is a max of 2 cars unless the number of cars on the grid drops below a certain number, the FIA can ask some teams to field 3 cars.
 
Some news for you chaps!

F1 teams' demands 'unrealistic' - Mosley

Max Mosley on Wednesday sounded unlikely to end F1's political conflict by surrendering to the existing teams' demands.

With Williams suspended from the FOTA alliance, every other current outfit last Friday lodged 'conditional' entries, as the deadline for signing up for next year's world championship expired.

They made clear their entries would be 'invalid' - thus potentially locking themselves off the 2010 grid - if the FIA did not sign a 2012 Concorde agreement, tear up the proposed budget cap rules, and agree their own cost-limiting proposals.

But when quoted by the Swiss publication Motorsport Aktuell, FIA President Mosley sounded unwilling to submit to the demands.

"We make the rules," he said, referring to the Paris-based federation that has governed the sport since 1950. "We have done it for 60 years and we are going to continue to do it."

Mosley said he didn't know if the conflict would now proceed towards a solution, but dismissed most of the FOTA proposals as 'unrealistic'.

For instance, he said the teams' draft of their preferred Concorde agreement was finalised 'so late' that it is unreasonable to expect it signed by June 12.

He is also critical of the teams' move in lodging their 2010 entries within hours of the close of the May 29 deadline.

"If seems rather obvious that they were trying to make it difficult for the new teams," said Mosley, also noting the irony of the teams' meeting in glitzy Monaco, on Flavio Briatore's yacht, to discuss cost cutting.
 
Mosley is a **** the FOTA terms have agreed pretty much with what he wants and goes way beyond what I think should be restricted. He is clueless and killing the sport. we need attention back on the track.
 
The guy really is a piece of work isn't he?

For instance, he said the teams' draft of their preferred Concorde agreement was finalised 'so late' that it is unreasonable to expect it signed by June 12.
'So late' huh? Much like you trying to bring in the medal system for wins about 12.64 minutes before the start of this season then, you arrogant, self-centred, self-impressed, twattish, sadomasochistic Nazi ****.

And to think most of you reckon Bernie is the real problem.....*sigh*
 
The guy really is a piece of work isn't he?

'So late' huh? Much like you trying to bring in the medal system for wins about 12.64 minutes before the start of this season then, you arrogant, self-centred, self-impressed, twattish, sadomasochistic Nazi ****.

And to think most of you reckon Bernie is the real problem.....*sigh*
Don't think many have a problem with Bernie (well maybe over the British GP as he wants total control over it), he is straight forward.

Agree with the rest though ;)
 
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