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I like it & I have no problem with it.
How do people feel about Veal?
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What's so bad about foie gras? Ducks and Geese breath through a whole in their tongue and have a tough neck lining so no choking issues and birds naturally store fat in their liver as part of the migration process. They are under no more stress than any other Duck or Goose on a farm.
The animal rights nazis have spread a lot of mistruths.
They're not necessarily force fed in UK practice. Their feed is enriched with fattier substance and they're encouraged to eat more often. The force feeding is really only found in France these days. Also something to do with seasons and migration and the natural fattening cycle that occurs during this time, but i'm not really sure about that, you'd have to look it up.
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vcl_X1 - you need a geography lesson
[Me? I choose not to eat meat because I don't know where it's come from. The chain between farmer and plate is too remote and you don't know what's happened in the meantime - look at what happened to those sheep that set off Foot & Mouth years ago - they had a nice tour of the UK.....but when I visit my sister in NZ I'm very happy to have her cow or sheep homekill - not much of a veggie really am I?]
There you are, that's Pipe's Meat Mainifesto/Rant Against Fellow Vegetarians
My geography's fine, Rome is somewhere between France and Egypt isn't it?
I am happy knowing the meat I eat comes from living breathing animals even if they are sometimes cute, i.e. Rabbit & Venison
Until your point about your sisters cows etc I was going to ask why you didn't have the conviction to be a Vegan but as your concerns are about the chain between Farmer then I can't, instead I'll ask what you've against your fellow vegetarians!
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Not against it, but don't particularly like the taste. Prefer beef anyday.
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I almost don't mind if someone's just genuinely against something and has their own reasons for it. But ignorant hypocrisy boils my ****!
Which part of my post did you not read. Placing that feeding down their throat is not the same as for humans. Our throats are not as tough and our livers don't operate the same way as birds. Most ducks and Geese will happily waddle over come feeding time. This video shows a lot of what I was on about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABeWlY0KFv8
I'll hapilly eat any of them. I'd even eat a person. It's a waste to bury or burn them when they'd bbq....
Very sensible reason - unlike the "I wub the ikkly fluffy bunnykins" idiots
Luckilly my local butcher has his own herds of animals and also buys direct from farmers for animals he doesn't have. He knows where the animals are from, where and when they were killed and in some cases, their names.
Had half a goat from him a few weeks and found out that it was a hand raised goat called Brian.
Roast Brian - beautiful.
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I actually spent about 10mins once debating with a foie gras protester in the UK about animal welfare. After educating him on the history of foie gras (he had no idea about bird migration or anything) i then said that I thought it was great that we can now buy things like veal that is reared in an ethical manner rather than slaughtering male calves at birth. The person I was chatting to was quite surprised we were taking such measures and seemed quite happy about the whole thing - until someone in the background came out and shouted that it could not be ethical because it involved eating meat, an entirely different argument.
But yes, Rose veal is in my mind ethical and beneficial to the industry as a whole.
I wouldn't buy too much into any "organic" labelling. An "organic" butcher is not necessarily better than any other.
There is no "UK practice" for foie gras. Foie gras production has been banned in the UK since 2000* but I think you'll find that most of the imported foie gras is sadly produced in a manner which is far from ethical. Ideally of course all foie gras would be produced by ducks/geese naturally fattening themselves up, but alas this is neither an efficient way to produce it, nor is it the best way to produce foie gras.
Some european veal could be as bad as foie gras - it depends on where people draw lines, and I guess the "fluff factor".
* I don't have a reference for this, tried searching on the web briefly but 2000 was the only date i could find, which surprised me because I thought it was much earlier.
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Living in a country-esque area (I saw that because it's a ****ing horrible council estate hell located in a country location), we have a farm shop near so get tons of decent local produce. Veal is absolutely delicious. I haven't tried fois-gras yet, but I'd be willing to. From researching it, it seems nowhere near as cruel as the nay-sayers would attest.
I dont eat it, bit too deer for me
You are joking right?
Anyway. I was offered 8 legs of Venison not long back for £1000, I turned them down as it was two deer!