The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.

Burnsy2023 said:
I know this thread brings up a lot of strong opinions, but there are to be no racial slurs - that means the 'n' word is not to be used. Also, keep of the personal attacks. Attack the opinion not the person. If people keep pushing the boundaries this thread will be locked and there won't be any more of them.
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Sorry about that, I'd seen people use the 'n' word in other posts and didn't think it was banned.
 
rypt said:
Indigenous is someone who asked "how do you identify yourself" replies "British"; and does not reply "Asian British", or "Muslim" or "African-American" or "Pakistani British".
It is someone who does not go and hide behind the "I'm Black therefore you must hire me even if a better qualified White candidate is there simply because you need to meet your racial quota of ethnic people"...
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If anyone met me, I doubt they'd be any doubt in their mind that I was British. However, technically I am not, I'm German. I was born in the UK, I was raised in the UK (albeit with a German mother) and am British in identity. If you asked me that question, I would answer British first, but being German is also part of my identity. I don't think I'm any less British than anyone else though.
 
Moley said:
The difference is that the second child you have described is in actual fact typical of ALL kids in school and would be dealt with within the normal stream of the classroom.

Let me try to explain further:

All kids fail to grasp new concepts first time round - unless they are super smart - this is why our educational learning is based around repetition and practise. Most kids will need mathematical concepts explained to them several times over AND have to practise for days before they get them right.

However if I have a child in my class who cannot understand English very well, then they will struggle as I start to break out into more elaborate language to try and explain the concepts. The answer is to educate the child in English before he or she joins the mainstream education system, either that or have a second maths teacher who can speak the childs first language.

Both these options take resources away from the mainstream children and this is the kind of thing the BNP picks up on and argues against.

I for one think that kids should have a good grasp of english and if we have to give them remedial education to do so then so be it.
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I think I was a unclear in my first post. The point I was making was in a case of the child lacking a full grasp of english but otherwise being very intelligent and understanding the mathematical concepts quickly. I mean in almost any class you'l be faced with children who aren't quite upto par with everyone else so need to be explained the same thing further and further. Could quite possibly be the same in the case of this child, just with the exception that he needs it to be explained in a different language rather than simple repition of the same concept. But I do realize this is just a possiblity rather than the norm, so do appreciate your point. :)

Don't really have a solution as such for the problem. I think the most effective method would be classes etc to ensure that the level of english of that child is upto par with the others but it would require extra resources. It's not a problem i've come across in India since while we do have the occasional child who doesn't speak hindi well, the medium of teaching is english so he rarely struggles in class. Except for hindi classes but that's to be expected and never really faced it at school in London.
 
Dr John Sentamu has a PhD from Cambridge, a great man. He has done so much for so many different communities in inner London. He has earned his right ten fold.

This is his country as much as yours.

What have you done dirtydog? What’s your contribution to this society? That your born white? Blaming everyone else for your problems is the coward's way.

You haven’t got the intelligence/competence to take on & accept the real reasons that has caused the current turmoil - the banks, the government - what is the mark-up of skin colour there? Till then, your white businessman was happy to take on the polish & other immigrant workers at expense of your 'own'. What you’re letting them off the hook? Did the immigrants hold a gun to their head or something for those jobs? No. They offered better value for money.

British jobs for British workers!... that’s a joke. We live in a global economy that was created by the high & mighty & the finest of this country. To compete in this world we have to forget about these 'racial' borders. Its survival of the fittest & capitalism at its finest. It should be 'British jobs for the finest workers'! Closing yourself off from the world - the protectionism nonsense, will leave this country in tatters, will leave us uncompetitive.

This country has moved towards a serviced based industry - again, not because of the immigrants but because of global economic movement and it’s what we can sell at a good price to the world at the moment. Who will buy plumbers from us? The fact that people can't accept this change & adapt to this change is what’s bringing people down.

Yes blaming the coloured people is easy. Are the coloured people blaming you? No. They are getting on with it. They are surviving/competing in an economic market that was not created by them.
 
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Burnsy2023 said:
If anyone met me, I doubt they'd be any doubt in their mind that I was British. However, technically I am not, I'm German. I was born in the UK, I was raised in the UK (albeit with a German mother) and am British in identity. If you asked me that question, I would answer British first, but being German is also part of my identity. I don't think I'm any less British than anyone else though.
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Then you are as British as the queen fine sir! ....... Oh wait.........:D
 
rypt said:
Indigenous is someone who asked "how do you identify yourself" replies "British"; and does not reply "Asian British", or "Muslim" or "African-American" or "Pakistani British".
It is someone who does not go and hide behind the "I'm Black therefore you must hire me even if a better qualified White candidate is there simply because you need to meet your racial quota of ethnic people"...
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You might have noticed on many forms now there isn't an option for simply being British, there is "White British" though which I suspect is closest to what you want here. Is there a reason why you cannot be both Asian and British?

Personally there's a fairly defined hierarchy of how I consider myself in terms of identity/nationality if it comes down to it - I'd almost always say that I'm Scottish before I'd say British before I'd say European. That doesn't mean that I'm not either British or European but more simply that I can value all components of my identity and integrate them to a whole.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
If anyone met me, I doubt they'd be any doubt in their mind that I was British. However, technically I am not, I'm German. I was born in the UK, I was raised in the UK (albeit with a German mother) and am British in identity. If you asked me that question, I would answer British first, but being German is also part of my identity. I don't think I'm any less British than anyone else though.
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Same for me; I have more different heritage than I want to count ... British, Russian, Israeli, Portuguese, tiny bit Indian and um some other stuff ...


Yet when you ask me I would reply British, I've been raised here, I live here and so on.
The point I was trying to make is that you would say British and be proud of it; in my example it would always be prefixed as "something-British" - as if simply being British is not good enough and you MUST inform people that you are also Pakistani.
 
semi-pro waster said:
You might have noticed on many forms now there isn't an option for simply being British, there is "White British" though which I suspect is closest to what you want here. Is there a reason why you cannot be both Asian and British?
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Is there a reason we need to sub-divide British? (Ignoring Scottish, Welsh, Irish, English aside as they are regions of the UK really)
 
Moley said:
I wouldn't go getting warm and fuzzy feelings about such a basic educational requirement to be honest.
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I'm not getting warm & fuzzy; far from it. Nevertheless, it does show that they are speaking English, and that's the most important point. This is not a case of kids turning up to school without being able to speak the national language.

Belated attempts? I thought that multiculturalism was started in 1948 with the Race Relations and British Nationality acts....
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No. The RR act addressed racism (not multiculturalism) while the BN act was all about citizenship for British residents of Commonwealth nations and British colonies. Neither policy addressed the issue of multiculturalism, which did not become government policy until the 80s.

Glad we are singing from the same Hymn Book though.

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Indeed.

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Spawn said:
So you regard BNP as a better option than Labour but yet didnt vote for them??..why ever not??...they may be a racist xenophobic party through and through but theres nothing wrong with voting for them or are you afraid that you will be called a racist??.
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What?! For a start you never have to tell anyone who you vote for.

I did not vote BNP as I voted for someone else who I believe is better.
Labour just take money on the working man and give it to those who sit on their backside on a council estate.

I said I would rather vote BNP than Labour, however it no that different from Southparks douche and **** sandwich. eg They are both rubbish.
 
cotton_flex said:
Dr John Sentamu has a PhD from Cambridge, a great man. He has done so much for so many different communities in inner London. He has earned his right ten fold.

This is his country as much as yours.

What have you done dirtydog? What’s your contribution to this society? That your born white?.
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I've noticed DD's opinion before that because he is born he he is entitled to everything. I personally feel that like anything in life, respect is earned and not a 'god given' right. Identity is just as much about behaviour as it is about ethnicity.
 
Captain_Slick said:
And what I'm saying is that Fascism allowed Nazism to happen to the extent it did. Without Fascism, Nazism wouldn't have gotten the stanglehold it did on all aspects of German life.
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no the british and us government were the force behind that, asking (Article 88)/ had to pay reparations etc.. to the winning team, infact they asked for so much that the germans had to print money.
 
mattheman said:
no the british and us government were the force behind that, asking (Article 88)/ had to pay reparations etc.. to the winning team, infact they asked for so much that the germans had to print money.
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Stop right there. The history behind this is not trivial. Don't try to trivialise it by saying here was only one or two factors, it's much more wide reaching than that.
 
mattheman said:
no the british and us government were the force behind that, asking (Article 88)/ had to pay reparations etc.. to the winning team, infact they asked for so much that the germans had to print money.
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And why should the victors not force the aggressors to help sort out and pay for the mess they made?

It is a shame something similar was not done after WW2 on the Western side to help pay for the mess the Germans made.
The Russians got the Germans (and their POWs) to rebuild plenty of the infrastructure that they had destroyed.
 
rypt said:
Is there a reason we need to sub-divide British? (Ignoring Scottish, Welsh, Irish, English aside as they are regions of the UK really)
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Not really, in a broader scheme of things I'd be quite happy with the distinctions of British, European (EU), European (Non EU) etc on application forms because I don't think that splitting it down further offers any benefit except for recording purposes to measure ethnic diversity - however if you're going to do that then it makes some sense to allow people to associate themselves with the description they feel most suits them.
 
rypt said:
I'm the moggy of the Human world ... and yet I am still classified on any form as "White British" - because I look white, and am British?
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so if you look white. you can call yourself british ?

i dont understand how you can look white, your either white or your not. its debatable if your michael jackson
 
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