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[uv]

Unemployment among ethnic minority communities is twice the rate of white workers, the TUC has said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4655193.stm

Can you link to an article that isn't four years old?

 

[malfunkshun]

what is a british job

In this context, and as I am sure most of you are well aware, this means any job provided in Britain. Isn't there a term for unnecessarily provoking people?

Anyway, on the employment front, I don't see why any employer should need to dress up a position or job description to make it more appealling to the ethinc minorities. If you want a job, and you are able to do it, then getting paid at the end of the month should be enough incentive.
Having said that, and contradicting the above, I do understand why employers try to attract applicants from all backgrounds. I am only concerned when experience/skills/education are secondary recruitment criteria to race/colour/belief.

 

[Sash]

Wow, 16% of Barnsley voters went for BNP I'm from barnsley, This is just bullcrap, Sorry but it takes takes a subpar intellect to go voting for BNP. 16% of Barnsley voters are now thick in my eyes.

Its probably because a lot of people didnt vote. But the ones who wanted to vote BNP WOULD vote.

If people did actually vote the BNP wouldnt have got such a large share of the votes because of the more mainstream parties getting more of the share.

 

[Metallifux]

Can you link to an article that isn't four years old?

I fail to see what difference that will make in the current climate it will just show that all numbers of unemployment have risen.

 

[semi-pro waster]

British people to me means People that are here legally.

That's fine and I'm noting you've not distinguished on colour either but it differs from the BNP so when you're voting for the BNP you should think very carefully about it if their views on this don't match yours.

Not people that come here to get free hospital treatment free housing
and monies.

People that will stay here and build a better UK. Not take take then send the money back to there home land.
I am fed up with all the governments spending or giving money out to immigrants

In mho any immigrant that wants to come here should pay there own way
for 10 years before getting a penny.

Why specifically pick on immigrants? Why not anyone who is taking out of the system without any obvious intention to put back into it at any time?

 

[Captain_Slick]

I fail to see what difference that will make in the current climate it will just show that all numbers of unemployment have risen.

Or not. We don't know.

 

[Metallifux]

That's fine and I'm noting you've not distinguished on colour either but it differs from the BNP so when you're voting for the BNP you should think very carefully about it if their views on this don't match yours.



Why specifically pick on immigrants? Why not anyone who is taking out of the system without any obvious intention to put back into it at any time?

In what way does that differ from the BNP?

Hear hear it isn't just immigrants it is the many many people who have no intention of working who need targetting.

 

[Metallifux]

Or not. We don't know.

A fair point but I think we have a clear indication that unemployment is on the rise do we not?

 

[Doctor_Zhivago]

*remove*

 

[Captain_Slick]

A fair point but I think we have a clear indication that unemployment is on the rise do we not?

Yes, but whether it's correlative in ethnic minorities is a different matter.

 

[Metallifux]

Yes, but whether it's correlative in ethnic minorities is a different matter.

I think it correlates to the British majority.

 

[semi-pro waster]

In what way does that differ from the BNP?

The BNP doesn't believe in British Asians for one as Nick Griffin was recently quoted as saying, it won't allow membership to anyone who is not part of the "indigenous Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norse folk communities of Britain" (and such others as it feels are closely associated, Constitution 9th Edition) so it differs on a pretty fundamental level.

 

[JAzz]

I was supprised to see Mr Griffin on BBC breakfast news this morning...

Mr Bill: So if an asian constitunecy member comes to you ask for help, will you give them your full attention?
Mr Grif: If they are Brittish yes, if they are a not in this country legally or if they are not contibutuing to the state, then no.

Mr Bill was trying his best to get a reaction out of him, but he didnt rise to it. He just had a moan about how the media is making false claims about racisim.

He did come out of it fairly good, but I know he really wanted to shout STAB! lol

I think Griffin was talking to David Dimbleby and telling him some Sikh members on Bradford had voted for them as they would tackle the growing problem of extremists Muslims in this country and Dimbleby asked him why he was happy to take their vote but wouldn't allow them to be a member. As usual with the BNP and their voters they dodge the question directly and play the whites are being discriminated against card and when we aren't we will re-think our policy. I'm not even sure if they have come out and said that they will admit non-whites even if they sort out this so called discrimination in the country. So this party who are fighting against discrimination will take the votes and support of non-whites but won't allow them to be members. Sound fair to me

 

[Doctor_Zhivago]

Could you humour me and define what you mean by British people? The reason I ask is that there appear to be a few different definitions floating about and the BNP's one would seem to exclude anyone who is not what is sometimes referred to as white British.

So what is an indigenous Briton? Well, the Equality and Diversity mob can help out here. Beneath is a section from a typical Equality and Diversity monitoring form. These are the "degrees of Britishness" which have already been created.

Please tick boxes as appropriate: -

WHITE
British
Irish
Any other White Background (please specify)

MIXED
White & Black Caribbean
White & Black African
White & Asian
Other Mixed Background (please specify)

ASIAN / ASIAN BRITISH
Indian
Pakistani
Bangladeshi
Any Other Asian Background (please specify)

BLACK / BLACK BRITISH
Caribbean
African
Any Other Black Background (please specify

CHINESE OR OTHER ETHNIC GROUP
Chinese
Other (please specify)

If a person can tick the boxes marked "British" or "Irish" they would certainly be in the indigenous ethnic group. If they ticked "Any other White Background (please specify)" and came from a former colony like for example Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, they would also be indigenous. If people are not in the indigenous group but are here legally and law abiding, then that is fine. You would have full rights exactly as now. However, there would be no PC promotion, no diversity quotas, no ethnic quangos and, unlike now, the law would be made to apply equally across all ethnic groups.


I will finish here. I haven't written any of this for the benefit of committed BNP haters. I fully appreciate that nothing the I or BNP can ever say or do will be right in their eyes. I have written it because Marxists has thrown down this gauntlet and it needed picking up. I hope it has proved of interest to others here.

 

[Captain_Slick]

I think it correlates to the British majority.

That's not the point.

Whilst the percentage may have gone up amongst the total population, the actual proportion amongst ethnic minorities may have gone down. I don't have the data, I don't know. To claim that a higher proportion of people in ethnic minorities are still out of work without any data though is ridiculous.

 

[Metallifux]

The BNP doesn't believe in British Asians for one, it won't allow membership to anyone who is not part of the "indigenous Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norse folk communities of Britain" (and such others as it feels are closely associated, Constitution 9th Edition) so it differs on a pretty fundamental level.

I don't believe your initial posting was about party membership though was it? I think it is a mistake by the BNP to have that bar on membership as I bet the majority of asians in this country consider themselves to be British.

 

[semi-pro waster]

So what is an indigenous Briton? Well, the Equality and Diversity mob can help out here. Beneath is a section from a typical Equality and Diversity monitoring form. These are the "degrees of Britishness" which have already been created.

...snipped for space...

If a person can tick the boxes marked "British" or "Irish" they would certainly be in the indigenous ethnic group. If they ticked "Any other White Background (please specify)" and came from a former colony like for example Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, they would also be indigenous. If people are not in the indigenous group but are here legally and law abiding, then that is fine. You would have full rights exactly as now. However, there would be no PC promotion, no diversity quotas, no ethnic quangos and, unlike now, the law would be made to apply equally across all ethnic groups.

You've added in a word there "indigenous", that wasn't part of the question that was posed, nor one that deuse answered.

If you want to add it in then you've fundamentally changed the question, that's up to you but it's got very little to do with my views on Britishness.

 

[Moley]

I think Griffin was talking to David Dimbleby and telling him some Sikh members on Bradford had voted for them as they would tackle the growing problem of extremists Muslims in this country and Dimbleby asked him why he was happy to take their vote but wouldn't allow them to be a member.

The answer to this is obvious - he has no choice but to take their vote.
He does however have the ability to determine who can or cannot be a member of his party.

Just goes to show how mercenary and opportunist the british public is though - a Sikh voting for the BNP because they think they will kick out Muslims... ironic.

 

[Rich_L]

I don't believe your initial posting was about party membership though was it? I think it is a mistake by the BNP to have that bar on membership as I bet the majority of asians in this country consider themselves to be British.

It's not a 'mistake' - no matter how much Asians consider themselves to be British, they never will be according to the BNP.

Commenting on the leaflet's content, Mr Griffin told The Report on Radio 4 that although 'in civic terms they are British, British also has a meaning as an ethnic description'.

'These people are 'black residents' of the UK etc, and are no more British than an Englishman living in Hong Kong is Chinese,' he said.

'Collectively, foreign residents of other races should be referred to as 'racial foreigners', a non-pejorative term... The key in such matters is above all to maintain necessary distinctions while avoiding provocation and insult.'

The manual describes the BNP's 'ultimate aim' as the 'lawful, humane and voluntary repatriation of the resident foreigners of the UK'.

'We don't subscribe to the politically correct fiction that just because they happen to be born in Britain, a Pakistani is a Briton. They're not. They remain of Pakistani stock,' he added.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...P-leaflet-says-black-Asian-Britons-exist.html

 

[Metallifux]

The answer to this is obvious - he has no choice but to take their vote.
He does however have the ability to determine who can or cannot be a member of his party.

Just goes to show how mercenary and opportunist the british public is though - a Sikh voting for the BNP because they think they will kick out Muslims... ironic.

I don't see the irony. There is a long history of hatred between Sikh's and Muslims in India, take the disputed Kashmir region for starters.