The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.
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That isn't a law. It is an individual employment policy of some police forces to try and increase their representation in the community. Especially common in areas with large minority populations that are significantly under represented.
There is no requirement in law to hire someone that is less suited to a role just because of skin colour.
Ok, so businesses should employ candidates based upon the number of past inventions of their race? In your mind, does this seem like a smart assertion to make?
Really? You have to ask?
How about, for one, athletic ability can be measured? How fast a certain person can run in terms of seconds, minutes etc. If you measure it as per an average cross-section, you can then determine if a certain type of people is more suited to that sport. For example, it could turn out that tall people are much more suited (i.e. good at) basketball than short people. Now would it be racist to say that on an average blacks are taller than other races? Since it is something that is non-debateable as there is a measure for it.
Intelligence on the other hand cannot be measured. And as far as inventing things goes, while that is down to intelligence, it is also down to things such as luck and opportunity. I don't think even you can deny the fact that blacks were discriminated heavily against prior to the last 50 years even. That being said, when were they supposed to be able to have access to the facilities that would allow them to invent something or even demonstrate their intelligence?
If you look at the moment there are a few problems.
Random attacks on Indians by white kids
We do get to the race hate. But usually when it comes down to things, its the white people causing a lot of the **** and violance.
Most of the Asians and Indians just try and get on with life and do there own thing.
Although they Greeks, lebonese and Italians can cause some trouble but they have been here for much longer then the Indians and Asians.
Not one mention of the real, genuine Australian, who gets treated like **** by the rest then?
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You'd be right except that it's not comparing the same thing. We are talking about membership here, I can vote for any party but that does not imply I am a member of them, the BNP specifically excludes people from joining the party as members and the constitution has been linked to multiple times now to demonstrate this, the BPA has no actual or written bar to membership - you may or may not be correct that there will be no white representatives at a high level (ever?) but it's not a fundamental part of why they exist.
They are expected to have an employment policy in place that doesn't discriminate. If so then the likelyhood is that their workforce will be suitably diverse dependant upon local demographics.
If you could prove that it was due to race or sex then yes, you would have recourse. Incredibly difficult to do though especially if the employer can point out why they hired the other person over you. (and it is just as difficult if you are black or female).
Because I was responding to someone who specifically stated it was law?
BBC programme makers fight race and gender quotas
Hire more blacks, Straw tells police sets
Both state owner broadcasters have forcibly protested to ministers that the law, which came into force on Monday, could be hijacked to enforce social engineering on the content of all television and radio programmes.
While certain public bodies such as the UK Border Authority have been excluded from the legislation the BBC and Channel 4 have not. Both organisations already have targets for the number of women and ethnic minority employees in the workforce.
full membership isnt given to whites.
Simple measure academic performance.
If you can offer some proof otherwise I am happy to hear it. But as you don't even seem to know what the law actually is I don't hold out much hope.
Is it really that simple? So you think that two people of equal intelligence will have exactly the same academic performance if one is from an inner city council estate with a single mother working all hours just to get food on the table and another is from a middle class family where both parents can share in supporting their school work? While possible, it is VERY unlikely.
Maybe you should give more than one line responses and actually try to elaborate your view?
Academic performance is hardly an accurate representation of intelligence. While it may be the 'best', and I lose this term very loosely, the method available to us, it is by no means an accurate method. It is widely dependent on an immense amount of variables such as tendency to that particular subject, apathy to other stubjects bringing down the average grade, style of teaching, style of marking, style of learning. There are so many variables as far as academics go that it is by no means an absolute measure. While it is used by many companies etc, its because there is nothing better. If it was such an absolute measure, why would companies and even universities even bother having personalized exams?
Atheletics on the other hand can be measured. As I have stated earlier. There isn't an interpretation of your time in seconds with regards to how fast you ran. It's right there. An examiner on the other hand may award low marks to a certain answer based on what he thinks and another examiner may award it something else completely.
You should check the "Equality Bill" then ...
Harman said:
This would allow employers to positively discriminate towards a certain ethnic group or sex so that their overall company structure reflects the local society demographic...
Exactly; positive discrimination is still discrimination.
Then you also have this
Erm multi choice questions no bias in those.
