Six Scotland Yard officers are accused of 'waterboarding' drug suspects

[Gackt]

Marijuana needs legalising, to be honest. It's less harmful than alcohol, and not addictive like tobacco. It is effective as a natural painkiller, sometimes it's the only thing that works without going onto pharmaceuticals such as anti-depressants.

No, legalising all drugs is a bad idea, but Marijuana is something that really should be legalised. Educated, and controlled, yes, but not illegal. It'd be rather helpful to the economy, and would put a lot of growers out of business.

 

[Teki187]

Strange that I never harmed anyone when I was taking benzodiazepines and amphetamines for anxiety, in fact no one even noticed I was taking them.

You are but 1 person, you cant compare what you would do to what others do.

Less people would be overdosing because the dosage would be controlled rather than adultered crap on the street.

So how would you control the dosage? By saying "here is 10grams, treat it well?" more then likely they'd horde it and use more.

Marijuana needs legalising, to be honest. It's less harmful than alcohol, and not addictive like tobacco. It is effective as a natural painkiller, sometimes it's the only thing that works without going onto pharmaceuticals such as anti-depressants.

No, legalising all drugs is a bad idea, but Marijuana is something that really should be legalised. Educated, and controlled, yes, but not illegal. It'd be rather helpful to the economy, and would put a lot of growers out of business.

Marijuana should be banned, because its a mind altering drug and the fact that its heavily linked to mental disorders should be more then enough.

 

[Jokester]

Gene Hunt comes to mind

Was thinking the same thing.

See it's been downgraded from waterboarding to, flushing their head down a toilet

 

[KNiVES]

Marijuana should be banned, because its a mind altering drug and the fact that its heavily linked to mental disorders should be more then enough.

By your logic, alcohol should be banned as well then. In fact, many things going by your criteria should be banned. It's not a good enough argument. It takes a ridiculous amount of cannabis abuse for 'mind altering' to take effect - going by the old adage that too much of anything is bad for you.

 

[Teki187]

By your logic, alcohol should be banned as well then.

Personally i think it should, all it does is make our streets unsafe, full of drunks, fighters, puking and other things that make it look fowl.

It takes a ridiculous amount of cannabis abuse for 'mind altering' to take effect - going by the old adage that too much of anything is bad for you.

I'm not sure of the amount, but i know for a fact a friend of mine has been doing around £10-15 a day / week for nearly 5-6 years and hes a complete wreck.

 

[TJM]

Wow, I knew there had to be some people in the world who still thought the 'war on drugs' wasn't an abysmal failure but I didn't expect to find so many in one place.

I'm not sure of the amount, but i know for a fact a friend of mine has been doing around £10-15 a day / week for nearly 5-6 years and hes a complete wreck.

Drink £15 worth of alcohol every day for five years and see what that does to you.

 

[wombraider]

Personally i think it should, all it does is make our streets unsafe, full of drunks, fighters, puking and other things that make it look fowl.



I'm not sure of the amount, but i know for a fact a friend of mine has been doing around £10-15 a day / week for nearly 5-6 years and hes a complete wreck.

No wonder hes a wreck taking 0.75 of an ounce PER WEEK
That would be like someone necking a ten glass bottle of vokda per day
Not good

 

[Gackt]

I'm not sure of the amount, but i know for a fact a friend of mine has been doing around £10-15 a day / week for nearly 5-6 years and hes a complete wreck.

That's because he's been abusing it. Severely.

 

[Energize]

You are but 1 person, you cant compare what you would do to what others do.

Millions are pescribed these drugs every year without anything happening, benzos are sedatives for gods sake. Look at how many car users harm people, doesn't mean we should ban cars.

So how would you control the dosage? By saying "here is 10grams, treat it well?" more then likely they'd horde it and use more.

People can dose themselves correctly when they know the concentration so they don't od. People overdose often because the purity of drugs is unknown. If I buy gbl from a shop I know it's 99.96% pure, if I buy it from a drug dealer the strength could be anything making safe dosing impossible.

 

[Teki187]

People can dose themselves correctly when they know the concentration so they don't od. People overdose often because the purity of drugs is unknown. If I buy gbl from a shop I know it's 99.96% pure, if I buy it from a drug dealer the strength could be anything making safe dosing impossible.

I'm sorry but that comment would have meaning if you didn't see people down your local town completely trashed on too much booze. We all know the safe amounts to have a day and to drive, yet people don't follow it.

You can only take a horse to water, you cant make it drink.

 

[mjer1984]

I have read a few of Teki187 posts on other subjects but when it comes to this one I have to agree with him.

Legalising drugs will not solve all the problems people seem to believe. As an example legalised drugs will lead to more people trying them out and becoming dependant (and you can become dependant on weed as well). Unfortunately taxing items tends to increase the price not reduce the price, as no doubt the government would want a large whack of value. If I wanted to go out and buy cocaine I could easily afford it, if my neighbour on the dole wants hit he can't. He takes it a few times, as its easy to buy from the chemist, becomes dependant then runs out of money. How is he going to fuel his new found habit? Not to mention a lot of my friends have thrown away there intelligence because all they cared about was getting high all the time.

As for the last comment about people being able to dose themselves correctly, are you delusional? I mean a lot people can't even control their diet let alone letting them buy drugs as well.

 

[Moley]

Unfortunately taxing items tends to increase the price not reduce the price, as no doubt the government would want a large whack of value.

Sorry but I think you have it wrong here. If the government started producing legalised, regulated doses of drugs they would be in competition with the dealers - competition reduces price and improves quality. Basic economics that.

Look at the tobacco industry as an example the smugglers sell their product at a vastly cheaper rate than the government - if they sold at the same price why would anyone buy from them? On the flip side, if tobacco was illegal do you really think you would only have to pay £5 for a packet of 20? Try £50 - much more likely.

Same thing will happen if the government legalises and takes control of the drugs market. They will be in competition with the dealers and will drive the price down through the floor - putting the dealers out of business because they cannot provide the same product for the same price.

 

[platypus]

Say you have a kid of 18 and heroin is legal, would you be happy about said kid going to a chemist, buying heroin over the counter jagging up, turning into an addict and completely screwing their life up? C’mon a bit of common sense. It CANT happen, there are far to many vulnerable people.

Whats the difference between allowing that and allowing teenagers to get off their face on alcohol every weekend?

 

[Energize]

Legalising drugs will not solve all the problems people seem to believe. As an example legalised drugs will lead to more people trying them out and becoming dependant (and you can become dependant on weed as well).

The fact that this doesn't already happen en masse with legal drugs like tobacco and gbl would suggest otherwise, people simply don't want to do drugs or they do and will easily get them from a dealer anyway.

Unfortunately taxing items tends to increase the price not reduce the price, as no doubt the government would want a large whack of value.

With tax it would still be considerably less than it is now, putting dealers out of business, remember there is over 1000% with some of these drugs.

If I wanted to go out and buy cocaine I could easily afford it, if my neighbour on the dole wants hit he can't. He takes it a few times, as its easy to buy from the chemist, becomes dependant then runs out of money. How is he going to fuel his new found habit?

That's what the drug programmes are for.

As for the last comment about people being able to dose themselves correctly, are you delusional? I mean a lot people can't even control their diet let alone letting them buy drugs as well.

The chances of overdosing on pharmacy bought meds is considerably less than that of street drugs.

 

[Tony Williams]

People can dose themselves correctly when they know the concentration so they don't od. People overdose often because the purity of drugs is unknown. If I buy gbl from a shop I know it's 99.96% pure, if I buy it from a drug dealer the strength could be anything making safe dosing impossible.

Over to GBL, it's not sold for human consuption. So it's really just sold as a solvent with no info about alcohol, dose (2-3 capfuls, yah yah) like you had with GHB in the old days. However this chemical becomes GHB in the body.

There was a recent death, with Hestler down to GBL and alcohol. HAD GHB of been legal still and she had information, bottle education and a less steep response curve ... do you think she would be alive today??

It's the same with BZP, I know it's a crappy drug but it's not really illegal yet it's researched, if BZP/piperzines became illegal the legal high industy would only use a research chemical instead with less known use.

Maybe in the cases of these drugs banning them is causing more harm than the drug.

 

[Energize]

dp

 

[Energize]

Maybe in the cases of these drugs banning them is causing more harm than the drug.

That's certainly the case with GHB, people overdose easily because it's highly concentrated and they mistake it for a bottle of water.

This program is an interesting watch showing that alcohol is considerably worse than drugs like GHB, cannabis and ecstasy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie9XRVae4tA&feature=channel_page