Microsoft unbundles IE from Windows 7 for Europe

J.B said:
Also, Windows could do with a sudo command but thats going off topic.
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In what way? In Vista onwards User Account Control is pretty much the same as sudo.

I actually like the way the EU stands up to Microsoft, but this decision is a little weird. It won't make much difference though, and as someone suggested will probably be offered via Windows update. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an Internet Explorer icon on the desktop that takes you straight to the download page.
 
theheyes said:
In what way? In Vista onwards User Account Control is pretty much the same as sudo.
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I know it has UAC but the problem is there is no command line over ride.

I do a lot of network configuration and playing around with bits and I seem to be incapable of remembering to right click and run as administrator.

So I'll hit windows key and type cmd then enter and do various ping, tracert, ipconfig things which is fine. Then every so often I'll think mmm thats not right...ipconfig /release only to be greeted with a requires elevation message. Have to exit the command line, search cmd again but this time right click to run as admin.

Just one of those little things that bugs me.
 
The problem is that Google and even Apple are doing "evil", anti-trust etc... RIGHT NOW. But the EU is just ignoring that because these two have only been doing it a few years. The EU would rather leave them be for a decade or so and then come down on them like a ton of bricks because it means their penalty will be much more severe in the billions of euros type range. It's a bit like waiting for a fine wine to become vintage...
 
J.B said:
I know it has UAC but the problem is there is no command line over ride.

I do a lot of network configuration and playing around with bits and I seem to be incapable of remembering to right click and run as administrator.

So I'll hit windows key and type cmd then enter and do various ping, tracert, ipconfig things which is fine. Then every so often I'll think mmm thats not right...ipconfig /release only to be greeted with a requires elevation message. Have to exit the command line, search cmd again but this time right click to run as admin.

Just one of those little things that bugs me.
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There's a powertoy that allows you to elevate from the command line, sounds like it should do what you want.

Elevate Command PowerToy

Or you can just hold CTRL+SHIFT to launch an application elevated, rather than having to right click.
 
Maybe ie browser may be in a windows update, i always check for updates soon as i go into windows for the first time to install misssing drivers and things like that.
 
I have no idea how net connectivity in Windows works but you can browse the internet without actually opening IE just by typing in a URL in Windows Explorer.
Would this still be possible if IE wasn't actually installed on the machine? I have no idea.

EDIT... I just tried opening a URL from windows explorer and IE was opened automatically.. When did that start to happen?
 
eXor said:
OEMs will include Firefox. :D
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OEMs will probably still include IE or no browser at all. They won't want to spend money retraining their support staff or they'll see it as an opportunity to save money by not having to support a browser.
 
Tomsk said:
OEMs will probably still include IE or no browser at all. They won't want to spend money retraining their support staff or they'll see it as an opportunity to save money by not having to support a browser.
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Don't be silly, of course they'll bundle a browser. They might bundle other browsers too, I've seen that done already, but IE will always be there.
 
Smit said:
I have no idea how net connectivity in Windows works but you can browse the internet without actually opening IE just by typing in a URL in Windows Explorer.
Would this still be possible if IE wasn't actually installed on the machine? I have no idea.

EDIT... I just tried opening a URL from windows explorer and IE was opened automatically.. When did that start to happen?
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IE has always been needed to do that. Right from Windows 95. Microsoft changed it over the years so that it actually spawns an IE instance instead of loading it straight into Windows Explorer. But essentially it is exactly the same.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Don't be silly, of course they'll bundle a browser. They might bundle other browsers too, I've seen that done already, but IE will always be there.
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:p Great... so not only will a brand new PC come with Quicktime, Acrobat, Symantec Anti virus 1 year trial, ZoneAlarm personal firewall 3 month trial, AOL 1 month free trial, Tiscali free trial, third party Network Connections and Wireless control panel applet replacement with non-standard UI, keyboard hot keys with non-standard UI, third party Power Management control panel applet replacement... but it will also come with Internet Explorer, Firefox, Opera, Safari and Google "Evil" Chrome? Great. Just great.
 
I don't see a problem with this for us as we can get installed IE without any problems but where I see the problem is a normal user that is not experienced with computers, this will result to higher technical support calls volume, more stress and money for end user.
 
Smit said:
I have no idea how net connectivity in Windows works but you can browse the internet without actually opening IE just by typing in a URL in Windows Explorer.
Would this still be possible if IE wasn't actually installed on the machine? I have no idea.

EDIT... I just tried opening a URL from windows explorer and IE was opened automatically.. When did that start to happen?
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this is because the IEcore was tied so closely into windows

if you forcefully remove IEcore from 2000/XP (not recommended), it removes this function

same way in 7 if you add/remove it, you can no longer do that either
 
indeed, unless its bundled how does a new user go on the internet to download a new browser without an existing browser in place, still, atleast it means all users will run win update atleast once, if anything just to get IE installed


it changes nothing really for MS and causes headaches for novice consumers
 
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