Istanbul - TURKEY Grand Prix 2009 - Race 7/17

I think it's time to say goodbye to F1 and hello to Formula Grand Prix or smth :D

With no Bernie the leech and no Mosley the Hitler-dictator-wannabe
 
arknor said:
the teams dont get much of a share from the revenue formula one takes though doesnt bernie keep 50%? :rolleyes: and hes a tight arse with giving prize money to new entrants aswell how many years must they wait again was it 3?
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I always read it that prize money for new entrants was still paid after the three years , rahter than forfeited completely (so Bernie still gets the interest on that money, but not the money itself after 3 years)

Its not forfeited completely is it - or is Bernie rubbing his hands vigourously with all these Brawn wins?
 
lopkinfop said:
there hasn`t been any announcement on if brawn will be treated as a new team or be treated as honda/brawn has there?
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Unsure, but they entered under Honda F1 entry with a bit of leniency didn't they? (as it was too late to enter as Brawn officially).
 
I always read it that prize money for new entrants was still paid after the three years , rahter than forfeited completely (so Bernie still gets the interest on that money, but not the money itself after 3 years)

Its not forfeited completely is it - or is Bernie rubbing his hands vigourously with all these Brawn wins?
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they get the money assuming they are still in formula one in however many years the greedy git hangs onto the money.

its ridiculous that theres a rule to withold winnings from new teams , you would think if anything you would be trying to help them financially so they can stand a better chance of staying in the sport.

thats ofcourse asumming you arent greedy and dont want to keep the money yourself
 
Some papers are reporting that as it stands Ferrari, Red Bull and Torro Rosso are all legally bound to enter next year but Brawn and McLaren are out in the cold

I kniw Ferrari dont see it that way - so it could all end up in court
 
Nothing new really.

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=46109
The FIA and the Formula One Teams’ Association held last-minute talks on Thursday in a bid to strike a peace deal over the future of the sport ahead the publication of the 2010 entry list tomorrow.

Following a meeting of the eight remaining FOTA teams on Wednesday, Reuters reports that the teams’ body met with FIA president Max Mosley in London to try to end the long-running dispute which has threatened to split the sport in two.

The FIA is due to reveal on Friday which teams will comprise an expanded 26-car grid next year, yet FOTA has only submitted a conditional block entry for all its eight members.

The FOTA teams are adamant that they are only willing to compete next season if the contentious £40m budget cap, and two-tier championship the rules as published would create, is scrapped and the 2009 regulations continue to stand instead.

They have also insisted that a new Concorde Agreement be signed by Friday, while promising in return that should their conditions be met they will commit to the sport until 2012.

Williams and Force India have already lodged unconditional entries – both independent outfits citing existing contractual obligations as the reason why they broke ranks with FOTA – while at least 10 embryonic teams have made bids to claim the minimum of three new places available.

With both FOTA and FIA president Max Mosley having adopted hard-line stances over their respective visions for how cost-cutting should be achieved, it has raised the spectre that the 2010 entry list won’t include any of the major manufacturer teams and could potentially trigger a breakaway series.

However, while Mosley has previously indicated he is not willing to budge from his £40m budget cap figure, it appears that the FIA president is now prepared to soften his stance in a bid to avert a manufacturer exodus.

Following the series of crisis talks involving FOTA and the governing body over the Monaco Grand Prix weekend last month, it has emerged that Mosley wrote to FOTA chairman Luca di Montezemolo offering a series of compromises to the dissenting squads.

Reuters reports that the FIA president said he would consider raising the budget cap limit as high as €100m for 2010, before dropping to his originally intended figure of €45m a year later.

Mosley also said he would scrap the particularly unpopular two-tier nature of the budget cap, which had offered teams that run under it extra technical freedoms.

"We can agree that all teams race under the same 2010 rules," the news agency quotes Mosley’s letter as saying.

“These would be as published, but with the technical and sporting advantages originally offered to cost-cap teams deleted.”

In addition, the existing teams would have to help new squads get up to speed with F1 through a transfer of know-how and expertise in 2010 and potentially 2011, while one employee’s wages, such as those of a 'star' designer, could remain outside the capped costs along with drivers' salaries.
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Nick Heidfeld fans, design his helmet

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/6/9483.html
Fans to design Heidfeld’s helmet for Germany
BMW Sauber’s Nick Heidfeld has launched a competition that gives his fans the chance to pen a special helmet livery, which he will use during his home race at the Nurburgring next month. Heidfeld and his long-standing designer, Jens Munser, will handpick the winning entry, before it is used to decorate a helmet supplied by manufacturing company Schuberth.

"The purpose of this competition is to allow my fans to give free rein to their artistic talents in coming up with a suitable design for my outing at the Nurburgring,” Heidfeld said. "I'm looking forward to seeing the results of all this creative input. I am always on the lookout for new ideas - in the case of my current helmet design, I got the inspiration from a snowboarder.”

However, rather than leaving his fans to resort to paper and pens, Heidfeld has created a special online design tool, which can be found on his official website. The tool not only includes a palette of colours for the would-be designers to choose from, but there’s also a selection of geometric shapes and brush tips that can be used to help with their handiwork.

The winning designer will be invited to the German Grand Prix paddock to present the helmet to Heidfeld ahead of first practice, before they take their seat in the VIP grandstand to watch the rest of the weekend action. When Sunday's race is over, the helmet will be presented to German F1 TV broadcasters RTL, who will auction it for charity.

Entry to the competition closes on June 28 and the German Grand Prix will take place from July 10-12.

http://www.nickheidfeld.com/?5340A0A1
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/f1mole/2009/06/ted-kravitz-the-turkish-gp-fro.html

apologies if this has been posted before - but it did make me laugh a little bit

just a snippet:

This was the first time we had seen anyone applying proper (albeit fuel-related) pressure to Button, and yet despite being 40kg lighter at that point, Vettel could not overtake.

The reason? Rival teams believe it's the Brawn diffuser.

One thing we learned from the FIA appeal court hearing into the double diffusers in April was a submission from Red Bull saying that the Brawn diffuser disrupted the airflow behind the car to such a degree that it served to undo all the efforts put into this year's new rules.

These were shaped by a body called the overtaking working group, whose aim was to make the 2009 cars easier to follow and overtake than their predecessors.

The court found against Red Bull, concluding that while this may well be a side effect, there was no rule saying "thou shalt not undo the good work of the overtaking working group".

How ironic then, that three months later, to their great cost, Red Bull would get such a practical, real-world demonstration of what their CFD computers told them would happen while following a Brawn car.
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A breakthrough or Max just being Max?

SCUDERIA FERRARI MARLBORO FERRARI
SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO STR TBA
RED BULL RACING RED BULL RACING TBA
AT&T WILLIAMS WILLIAMS TOYOTA
FORCE INDIA F1 TEAM FORCE INDIA MERCEDES
CAMPOS GRAND PRIX CAMPOS COSWORTH
MANOR GRAND PRIX MANOR COSWORTH
TEAM US F1 TEAM US F1 COSWORTH
VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES* McLAREN MERCEDES
BMW SAUBER F1 TEAM* BMW SAUBER
RENAULT F1 TEAM* RENAULT
PANASONIC TOYOTA RACING* TOYOTA
BRAWN GP FORMULA ONE TEAM* BRAWN TBA

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/f1releases/2009/Pages/f1_2010_entrants.aspx
 
Wicksta said:
No breakthrough then, it will be interesting to see what happens over the next week.
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Well it seems a FOTA breakup has occured? Unless Max included Red Bull/Ferrari unconditionally as they are contracted to race in F1 (according to him).
 
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