Probably why I won't ride a crotch rocket
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of course you do. but you can not expect to take into account blind spots and closing speeds in excess of 60mph. especially when those blinds spots aren't directly around you. But a fast moving target behind a car behind you.
he could have looked in his mirrors several times and actually turned his head round for the rear quarter blind spot and still missed him.
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The hatched markings have dashed lines either side so it's perfectly legal to enter the hatched area (though discouraged by the Highway Code). On a separate issue lots of drivers seem to get very upset by this for some reason (ignorance of the law I suspect).
As for overtaking into oncoming traffic, it's a very wide road for two lanes so there was enough room for a bike to get past without getting uncomfortably close to oncoming traffic, but clearly this leaves no room to cope with the situation shown in this video, so is a bad idea.
If the video wasnt there, then it might have gone 50/50 or been printed as the car drivers fault.
If he had looked before he pulled out the biker would still be alive.... I imagine they would be able to see the bikes in the o/s mirror from as soon as they pulled off the roundabout.
If he had looked before he pulled out the biker would still be alive.... I imagine they would be able to see the bikes in the o/s mirror from as soon as they pulled off the roundabout.
Of course all drivers should be attentive and aware - but this situation was not helped by the excessive speed and agressive nature of the bikes driving. As far as i'm aware emergency services generally have some sort of training and do manage to drive quickly but cautiously as would be needed in this situation - i saw no evidence of this with the biker.Of course they should, anyone using the road should be constantly alert for hazards both in front and behind. With attitudes like this, no wonder so many drivers don't see emergency vehicles approaching from behind, even with lights and sirens going.
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In fact i feel that in the whole thread AcidHell2 has put it best:
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Biker screwed up, not much else to add. RIP
Just watched the vid and im pretty sure that car had already started it's ovetaking manouvre before the bike was on them.
Is sad someone has died, but he was riding like a fool and unfortunately he didn't get away with it this time.
Feel sorry for anyone involved in clearing that mess up, and the biker behind witnessing his best friend basically ripped to pieces.
Is sad someone has died, but he was riding like a fool and unfortunately he didn't get away with it this time.
Feel sorry for anyone involved in clearing that mess up, and the biker behind witnessing his best friend basically ripped to pieces.
Nobody is trying to blame the car for killing the biker . Im not asking him to be taken to court for it . Im voicing my opinion on an internet forum regarding what i can see in the vid and what i know as a biker and a driver .
Imho the driver DID indicate to overtake but only as he made the manuver so may as well not have bothered but the biker should have been more aware and there was time for the biker to slow . Maybe not enough time to miss the overtaking car but from what i can see he seen it and wound it on to try and beat it past the overtaking car . This failed and he clipped the car .
As said before we dont know the speed of the car or the bike and c hances are both bikes had race cans so if he didnt see them im dam sure he heard them . There is no 100% blame in this case .
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Imho the driver DID indicate to overtake but only as he made the manuver so may as well not have bothered but the biker should have been more aware and there was time for the biker to slow . Maybe not enough time to miss the overtaking car but from what i can see he seen it and wound it on to try and beat it past the overtaking car . This failed and he clipped the car .
As said before we dont know the speed of the car or the bike and c hances are both bikes had race cans so if he didnt see them im dam sure he heard them . There is no 100% blame in this case .
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I'm suprised by all the hate in this thread! Especially from people judging bikes who have never even ridden one! I personally find my bike more maneouverable than my car and can nip in and out of traffic. Before I rode a bike I thought nipping in and out of traffic was crazy, but when you're on a bike they're so responsive it's easy. I don't stick to the speed limit I admit, but when other cars are about I'm careful and ride considerately. On an open road it's another matter altogether though
I think out of all the posts, Wicksta's post hits the nail on the head. You get an equal share of stupid riders and stupid drivers. I ride a bike at weekends and drive a car 80 miles a day on the commute. I see plenty of bad car drivers and when I'm riding I see plenty of silly bikers too. I've had numerous people in my car time pull out in front of me on the motorway without looking or doing poor overtakes when I'm coming the other way.
In this thread's case when you mix two bad riders/drivers together this sort of thing happens. If the biker wasn't doing such a silly speed he could have slowed down in time as the car pulled out. In my opinion the car shouldnt have been going for an overtake anyway as the coast wasn't clear! He was forcing the car in front to pull over. If the car driver hadn't been driving like a chav then the bike would have gone past OK.
It's sad that someone died, but in my opinion as a car AND bike rider I would say it was 50/50. The bike approaching at 100mph wouldnt have given the car much time to react, but judging by the car's driving style he probably wasnt looking in his mirrors anyway.
As can riders.
Ambitious? Try careless, irresponsible, negligent, selfish, idiotic... The list goes on.
There is no hate in my post mate, and I have a full bike license thanks very much.
EDIT: Oh, I just read the rest of your post - doh!!! Must read more than one sentence before going on the defence. Hopefully I've helped prove your point though.
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Surely, from a car drivers point of view, you are checking your mirrors long before you commence an overtake? Don't get me wrong, in my opinion the rider used inappropriate speed given the nature of the traffic, but that does not excuse the drivers apparent lack of attention.
Yes and even with that there is a very good chance he wouldn't of seen him.
What apparent lack of attention?
You should do but didnt seem to happen in this event given how late his indicator was .
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I'm sorry, but as sad as it is, those bikers were nothing but a danger on the road. It was simply a matter of time. Quite frankly, if you're over taking on a road like that, there are plenty of things to look out for an consider. An idiot on a bike at 100mph shouldn't be one of them.
I think I feel more sorry for the car driver than for the bikers.
The apparant lack of attention that caused him to pull out despite the bike being visible for 2 to 3 seconds.
where is he visible. watch the video again.
As well as not being visible, the car also starts pulling out way before the bike starts pulling out.
I've watched it plenty of times. Of course, to be fair, I have no idea at what angle his wing mirrors are adjusted.
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