Moot because natives are here whether we like them or not. We cannot stop that and we cannot deport them. We CAN be far more choosy about immigrants, to make sure they are the right sort of people who will fit in here.
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Moot because natives are here whether we like them or not. We cannot stop that and we cannot deport them. We CAN be far more choosy about immigrants, to make sure they are the right sort of people who will fit in here.
But by that logic if (not saying it is) the country's majority was chavs, then you would try and endeavour that only chavs are let in?
Hence why I mentioned the benefits system and tackling the problem that way.
Incidentally, how do you define 'the right sort of people'. Please be honest and open about exactly what you mean, we don't want any misunderstandings based on the potential for interpretation...
In my opinion this whole debate is undeserved. The vast majority of what you've written demonstrates pure intolerance.
While I would not label all of those who vote for BNP as 'scum', they are either racist or lacking in the intelligence to comprehend that supporting a party with a racist manifesto is an endorsement of racism.
Yes, we need tighter controls on immigration.
No, the BNP do not have the answers. Their manifesto is repugnant, driven by hate and intolerance, and furthermore is completely unworkable.
Economically and culturally we need immigration, and diversity is a good thing. Don't agree? Well that's your problem. You are the minority and despised by most of your beloved 'native' Brits.
Also, shouldn't you be looking after your new born baby and his or her mother, rather than spreading hate and intolerance on the internet for the best part of last 24 hours? Finally one apparently intelligent BNP supporter in this thread - so what are you thinking?
I admit I have not read through this thread fully but my two cents is that anyone that spends their time reading and listening about this topic (i.e. the potential/apparent rise of the extreme right) in the tabloids, has no basis for an argument. This topic is far to complicated for the average sun reader to fully grasp unless they are prepared to explore it in much greater detail and depth. Migrant workers like those from Poland and eastern europe are essential to our economy according to academics and buisiness analysts. The real cause of job loss in the UK? Corporate greed. Chuck the greedy self serving bankers that pay virtually no tax out the country instead?
How on earth did we manage before we let those countries join the EU a few years ago eh? We were just waiting around for them to come, so they could do the 'jobs we refuse to do'. None of the low paid or menial jobs ever got done before they came. Lazy white Brits all 'refuse' to do them don't they. Thank god for the immigrants, they've saved us
I wonder how many 'academics' or 'analsyts' have much of a clue of what it is like to work in those industries. Do they not realise that those jobs are overwhelmingly done by white British, so that unfettered employment competition hurts those workers and their standard of living. But what do they care about that. Just keep propagating the myth that we natives refuse to do such work, and foolish people will believe it and support mass immigration.
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I can't recall seeing anyone using that quote and attributing it to Mr Griffin, that doesn't mean that it hasn't been so attributed but I'd be surprised if he said something that was quite so blatantly racist because from what I can tell he isn't a stupid man and such a statement would be manna for those who oppose him. If someone has attributed it falsely to him then that's highly unfortunate because it doesn't do those who oppose him or the BNP any favours to misrepresent the issues, there are enough reasons to dislike the BNP and their policies without making up anything.
It's possible that someone has paraphrased what they think Mr Griffin would say if he were being completely honest but if that is the case then it should have been made abundantly clear that is what it was.
Please show 2 examples of this......
Please explain WHY we need diversity........ Please show me where I agree or disagree.....
New borns sleep about 20 hours a day and so sitting here next to him IS looking after him while he sleeps
Please show me where I support the BNP.....
You know you are typical of the sort of poster who makes these discussions so pointless. You only see what you want to see. You'll not be able to back up any of your claims with quotes from me and are angry that someone even dares to question the mighty wisdom of "immigration is good".
You've completely misrepresented me and everything i have posted. Yet you call BNP supporters "stupid"..... pot....... kettle........
How on earth did we manage before we let those countries join the EU a few years ago eh? We were just waiting around for them to come, so they could do the 'jobs we refuse to do'. None of the low paid or menial jobs ever got done before they came. Lazy white Brits all 'refuse' to do them don't they. Thank god for the immigrants, they've saved us
I wonder how many 'academics' or 'analsyts' have much of a clue of what it is like to work in those industries. Do they not realise that those jobs are overwhelmingly done by white British, so that unfettered employment competition hurts those workers and their standard of living. But what do they care about that. Just keep propagating the myth that we natives refuse to do such work, and foolish people will believe it and support mass immigration.
Tell me then that there are not lots of unfilled service sector jobs. The evidence is there, you just need to look. The whole point of academic and other such anaysis is to source, analyze and present actual data. That is what they do, that is what they are for!
You're clearly very good at debate but there's no way I'm going to enter into some of the drawn out discussion, trawling through past posts like I've seen over the last few pages. Frankly I see no need to justify my stance plus I'm at work.Please show 2 examples of this......
Please explain WHY we need diversity........ Please show me where I agree or disagree.....
New borns sleep about 20 hours a day and so sitting here next to him IS looking after him while he sleeps
Please show me where I support the BNP.....
You know you are typical of the sort of poster who makes these discussions so pointless. You only see what you want to see. You'll not be able to back up any of your claims with quotes from me and are angry that someone even dares to question the mighty wisdom of "immigration is good".
You've completely misrepresented me and everything i have posted. Yet you call BNP supporters "stupid"..... pot....... kettle........
How about this?
Do you believe yourself to be tolerant of other races living in this country? Forget about economics, I want your emotional point of view.
I never said we need diversity, I said it was a good thing. The majority of people enjoy living in a society where they can meet people whose life, culture and appearance is different to theirs. Ok, Food is part of that, also music and arts, but most importantly the friendships and relationships we form with others.
Economically we need immigration due to a skill shortage and emigration, though I agree that unskilled workers should be restricted. If the existing ethnic minority population were now to leave this country our economy would collapse. The suggestion that our economy could incentivise this is preposterous.
Do you support the BNP? Simple question.
I alluded that other posters in this thread who voiced support for the BNP lack intelligence. Absolutely I stand by this.
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Not really. He's simply takes care not to fully articulate his position, because he knows that this makes him harder to pin down (since nobody quite knows what his position is). It also allows him to deflect certain accusations on the basis that they are mistaken assumptions.
Ah yes, emigration. Do you think it is a mere coincidence that we have record emigration at the same time we have record immigration? Or could it be that as mass immigration destroys our country, record numbers who can afford to leave in order to live somewhere not suffering the same fate are doing so?
As for destroying our economy if we lose immigrants, not at all. If we had a lower population, yes our GDP would be correspondingly lower but less 'work' would need doing, on account of there being less people in the country. GDP per capita or PPP is the true economic measure of a nation's wealth, not GDP overall because the latter figure doesn't take account of how many people it is shared out between.
He's already said he has never voted for them.
That's what politicians do all the time though
Yes, which is precisely why we don't need to see more of it.
This does not answer the question.
It seems to. He has already qualified the comment by telling who he did vote for (UKIP and Tory) and given his reasons for joining the debate, which is that some issues like mass immigration are not exclusively the concern of those who vote BNP, but are shared by millions more people.
People are leaving UK to live in foreign countries because they don't want to live with foreign people in the uk?
Your grasp of economics, what can I say. You of course forgot to factor in exports, productivity, manual labour and skilled workers.
I'm guessing you wouldn't be affected but what about property? If theoretically every ethnic minority home owner tried to sell their property, what do you think would happen? Well, it would make the current credit crisis look utterly trivial. All property would plummet in value and I don't see how any bank of mortgage company could take that hit.
Another two gems from you then.
No, I asked if he supported the BNP, not whether he voted for them.
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No, it does not even "seem to".
DD, are you going to answer this so we can continue the debate about immigration policies?