Probably why I won't ride a crotch rocket

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Horrible video :(

I have ridden over the posted limit many times, it’s not something I’m proud of, but it happens – whether I’m aware or not, you can easily creep over the limit, even by a few MPH.

If I ever seriously speed, I will only do it where I think it is safe – that for me means one or more of several things: a road I know, a good conditioned road, a straight or not overly technical road, clear visibility ahead, no with-flow or oncoming traffic (or at least far far away traffic), no warning signs (junctions, crossing or animals etc) and an NSL – just to name a few.

These for me are some of the criteria I look for before I crack the throttle open – and why not? The power is there, and if the conditions are right I only stand a chance of hurting myself. That’s not to mean I don’t value my life, or think of the affect it will have on loved ones, but I could easily be killed or seriously injured cycling to work and I enjoy the thrill of riding at that pace (when it’s right).

The video does show some pretty excessive speed in areas I personally didn’t think were ideal, but the camera is also very low down (top yoke/tank level), so you don’t get the same visibility that the rider has, so he may have had a pretty good view to base his decisions.

Regardless, that last bit before his mate’s crash is just stupid, a totally inappropriate place to give it beans in my view, and what is that car driver doing? Its single lanes with a van oncoming and he/she goes to overtake the car in front of them!
I’ve only scanned through the story, but there’s no mention of the car driver other than ‘Mr Prowse clipped a hatchback car’ – they should themselves be punished, maybe not a full ‘dangerous driving’, but certainly ‘without due care and attention’ as their overtake would have forced that van to take avoiding action.

A sad end whichever side you take, if any.

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Wow, that's only down the road from me! :(

Can see where i turn off for work aswell.

Regarding the overtaking car, the road is very wide in real life and practically nearly everyone overtakes one that bit. I still think the driver was silly to overtake so soon and obviously not checking there mirrors...
 
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haven't read the whole thread as i cba, but wtf was that 'hatchback' doing?!

it's like he saw the biker coming and intentionally got in his way..?
there's no way the car could have done a safe overtake there

They shouldn't have been going that fast, but this is my view too ^^.
 
Regarding the overtaking car, the road is very wide in real life and practically nearly everyone overtakes one that bit. I still think the driver was silly to overtake so soon and obviously not checking there mirrors...

I don’t know the road, other than what I saw in the video, so I won’t suppose to know more than you about it, but….

Highway Code said:
109. Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.

* If the area is bordered by a solid white line, you should not enter it except in an emergency.
* If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.
* If the area is on a motorway and consists of a triangle bounded by continuous white lines marked by chevrons, you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency.

Being both a rider and a driver, in no way would I have considered the car's overtake, with an oncoming van – not least a WHITE van (knowing the reputation they have), safe to do so!

Sure the leading car pulls to the left giving more room, almost on the outer-most white line, but even then, the Focus is entering the hatched area – what if a vehicle behind the van decided to overtake in the same manner?

Just my own thoughts on the driver, but I agree with you that they were silly, to say the least.

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There are a string of about 5-6 roundabouts near where i live and there wont be a week gone by where there isnt a pile of flowers/cards etc on at least one of them. The trouble is, like the article shows, unlike car accidents, a lot of the bikers it seems that are killed aren't youngsters.

Is a real shame, but from my own personal experiences with the roads i live near, bikers treat them like a race track because they big and open so they completely disregard the 40mph limit :(
 
I can't understand all the nay sayers tbh. i'd still do it and i have good reason not to ever want to!

you go as quick as the right hand allows(throttle) and riding a bike does make you more aware. it's long been my impression that people should pass a motorbike license before ever getting a car license as it would make them safer. if they can't/don't want to ride a bike then don't let them drive. simple. roads would be a lot safer:)
 
Is a real shame, but from my own personal experiences with the roads i live near, bikers treat them like a race track because they big and open so they completely disregard the 40mph limit :(

If I’m not mistaken, that’s a 200SX in your signature, a car capable of impressive 0-60 times and probably an equally impressive top speed? You mention that the roads near you are also big and open, so there is a fair chance that you and other car divers may also treat them as a race track, no?

I don’t know you from Adam granted, you may never break the speed limits, but to say that bikers treat your local roads as a race track is pretty biased, I’m sure that car drivers are just as guilty and you yourself are strapped into a performance car, so will probably get similar ‘urges’ to throttle up :confused:

If either group (car or bike) are doing stupid speeds in 40 zones, then they’re idiots, but you need to bear in mind that car drivers are often just as bad on the road – hell, it doesn’t even have to be speed for a car driver to be dangerous; farting about with the interior, following too closely and generally being switched off from the environment around them could all easily add up to a horrible accident.

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If this unfortunate event had not resulted in the death of someone then:

- if I had been the car driver attempting the overtake, I'd have been ashamed to have missed seeing the motorcyclist. There appears, at least to me, plenty of time to see two motorcycles behind me, which would have made me a lot more cautious about my next actions.

- if I had been the rider, I'd have been ashamed of myself in not reading the intention of the car ahead. There was plenty of time for the rider to evaluate the situation and moderate his behaviour accordingly.

I wouldn't like to argue about who should be blamed in this situation, it is just a terrible shame that someone died. And for just for transparency:

- I drive a car and ride a motorcycle.

- Yes, I have missed seeing motorcycles before when driving causing the rider a little concern.

- Yes, I have placed myself in danger when riding a motorcycle because I haven't read the behaviour of other road users correctly.
 
Fact: if the biker had been riding at a legal speed and maintained an appropriate distance between himself and the car in front, he'd still be alive today.

No it's not fact. It's supposition and you know it. There is no way of categorically stating what you have said as fact.
 
I think the other car is also responsible for this. Way off to the side not taking ownership of the road and inviting the car and motorcycle to perform a risky overtaking manoeuvre. I also think the motorcyclist didn't keep a big enough margin from the cars he overtook, I always keep a door length away whether it is on a street or NSL road.
 
If this unfortunate event had not resulted in the death of someone then:

- if I had been the car driver attempting the overtake, I'd have been ashamed to have missed seeing the motorcyclist. There appears, at least to me, plenty of time to see two motorcycles behind me, which would have made me a lot more cautious about my next actions.

- if I had been the rider, I'd have been ashamed of myself in not reading the intention of the car ahead. There was plenty of time for the rider to evaluate the situation and moderate his behaviour accordingly.

I wouldn't like to argue about who should be blamed in this situation, it is just a terrible shame that someone died. And for just for transparency:

- I drive a car and ride a motorcycle.

- Yes, I have missed seeing motorcycles before when driving causing the rider a little concern.

- Yes, I have placed myself in danger when riding a motorcycle because I haven't read the behaviour of other road users correctly.

A well written post.
 
No it's not fact. It's supposition and you know it. There is no way of categorically stating what you have said as fact.

Exactly. what's to say if he'd have been in a car he wouldn't have died from being trapped? On a bike you damage yourself by being thrown clear. There are lots of 'what ifs' like 'what if he'd stayed in bed that day?'

Life is good and life is bad. it doesn't always work out how you want.
 
If I’m not mistaken, that’s a 200SX in your signature, a car capable of impressive 0-60 times and probably an equally impressive top speed? You mention that the roads near you are also big and open, so there is a fair chance that you and other car divers may also treat them as a race track, no?

I don’t know you from Adam granted, you may never break the speed limits, but to say that bikers treat your local roads as a race track is pretty biased, I’m sure that car drivers are just as guilty and you yourself are strapped into a performance car, so will probably get similar ‘urges’ to throttle up :confused:

If either group (car or bike) are doing stupid speeds in 40 zones, then they’re idiots, but you need to bear in mind that car drivers are often just as bad on the road – hell, it doesn’t even have to be speed for a car driver to be dangerous; farting about with the interior, following too closely and generally being switched off from the environment around them could all easily add up to a horrible accident.

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I agree that there are a lot of equally bad drivers out there, so can definitely see your point, and i wont deny that yes, it can be tempting to have a heavy right foot moment now and then.

I will say this though, i dont care what car you have, sports or otherwise, a motorbike will get to whatever speed a darn sight quicker and if, like in the video, a driver doesnt double check his mirrors when making a maneuver (sp?) then it is lights out for a biker :(

There are always threads like this that come up every so often and i think it boils down to both bikers and drivers alike giving each other mutual respect on the road and just think twice about what maneuver they make.
 
2% Of road accidents involve motocyclists.

20% Of road fatalities are motocyclists.

I heard that from somewhere, could be talking out of my arse though.

Nothing wrong with riding a bike, what they were doing was wrong though and they paid the price.
 
Time and a place for going balls out

^^This.

The difference between skilled bikers and dead ones is usually the ability to realise this very thing.

I open the Mille up every now and again on the road and yes I break the speed limit on regular occasions but I do it when it is safe to do so.

I've attended too many fatalities in my line of work, including bike related ones. This kinda sticks in your mind a little and makes you much more aware of the risks and indeed, the tragic consequences that can result from a moments lapse of concentration or the unpredictable actions of another road user.

Yes - biking is a "buzz" but get to know your own limits and appreciate that a lot of other road users are not as skilled or switched on as you are.
 
28 years riding bikes...hayabusa at the moment..friends killed in the past..as has been stated there is a time and a place to hoon...i like to hoon:D
 
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