Probably why I won't ride a crotch rocket

[sormicoft]

Total time between overtaking the 1st car until impact looks just over 1 second. Without knowing the full facts of the overtake between the white/impact vehicles then you only have half of the story. I suspect the authorities have poured over the incident and if any blame can be attributed to the overtake vehicle then I am sure that charges will follow.

However, ultimately I think it is safe to say that the bike rider was responsible for his own sad demise. He forgot to ride defensively and took a chance at great speed with no possibility of escape. He made one too may assumptions with catastrophic consequences.

Unfortunately the aftermath will live on for a very long time for those that witnessed it.

i would ask you to watch the video again, the car is in site a lot more than a second before impact, really was in sight a good 4 seconds before the accident, if the driver had been paying close attention he would have seen the bike coming up on him. although you cant just blame him the rider is just as much if not more so to blame, silly place to overtake and he should be riding more defensively

 

[Jotun]

And if you had seen the Utube vid that was supplied by the police you would have seen the driver indicate AS he made the manuver and as soon as the biker sees it he brakes hard .

Got a link?

if you look at the pics above the rider should be visible to the car driver, if he checks his mirrors. i mean he really should be looking at more than the car thats immediately behind him and if you see a single HID hovering near the middle of the road its safe to assume theres a bike coming through shortly

The driver might not have much experience, given it's a fairly aggressive overtake he went for (traffic coming the other way and making his own lane) it's possible he was a young male without much driving experience. Or he may have seen the bike and registered it but just not realised how fast the bike was approaching.

All we can do is speculate though without more information.

 

[Snaggle]

It is all speculation . Sorry no link as its been taken down but cleary showed him indicating and move across and the bikers brake light comming on .

From my many other posts i dont blame the car driver . But he has a % of blame regardless of the bikers speed .

Persil

 

[PiKe]

Look, people more qualified than us have seen this video and if the car driver was to blame, we would have known about it by now.

 

[helpimcrap]

Look, people more qualified than us have seen this video and if the car driver was to blame, we would have known about it by now.

in a court of law it isn't what you see, it's what you can prove.

 

[Glaucus]

in a court of law it isn't what you see, it's what you can prove.

And they had video evidence and still did not convict by the look of things. Shows that despite what some people are saying the driver still wasn't done for dangerous driving. So obviously not as clear cut as some people are making out.

 

[jumpy]

My thoughts - not being personally involved in this case I can say a fool is a fool no matter if he drives a car or rides a bike.

As I've only driven a car for the last 16 years I cannot really comment on the attitude of bikers in general, but I'd hazard this observation - I seem to notice the stupid riders more than the sensible ones, likewise with stupid car drivers, as their irresponsible behaviour stands out by a clear country mile.

Driving anywhere near Mallory Park during summer time you see plenty of examples of how not to ride a powerful sports bike on the public road - long chains of bikers overtaking at high speeds on blind bends and over the crests of hills. Mates playing 'catchup' whilst overtaking in the face of oncoming traffic. The number of rta's with bikers involved is more than at any other time in that area.

I'm sure neither of the two bikers in the film intended for anything to go wrong so badly, but if they hadn't been riding like dicks and had been riding up to or below the speed limits on those roads, not overtaking on chevrons etc, then at best no accident would have occurred, and at worst both riders could have escaped a fatal injury with little more than broken bones and bruised pride.

Having a close relative who, for many years, worked in Accident & Emergency departments and operating theatres I've heard some of the horror stories of what happens to irresponsible motorists/motorcyclists; in fact it was a standing joke in the transplant wards that every time it rained the possibility of a transplant would go through the roof, with the doctors euphemistically referring to bikers as 'organ donors'. One anecdote is as follows: Apparently, when asked by a patient how long it would take until a donor organ would become available, one doctor looked out of the window at the gathering rain clouds and quipped "Oh, not long now..."
This anecdote is not implying bad riding as the cause, but the fact that riding a bike is so much more dangerous in the event of an accident; the chances of serous injury or death are that much greater due to the exposure of the rider to impact.

The casual disregard for consequences has led to the death of one individual and the traumatization of several others.

It is all so very unnecessary

 

[Flukester]

a lot of valid views here, but you should all stop scare mongering about bikes in general... they just like cars can be lethal weapons in hands of someone without self control.

show self control, enjoy yourself when it's safe to and you can have a lifetime of cheap kicks, supercar smashing performance and traffic free motoring... I know as I've already had 24 years of this.

i ride quick sometimes, exceeded limits by several times, done stupid things on one wheel etc etc... but I've never ridden like the camera bike, the guy was riding a high of adrenelin and his m8 payed the ultimate price

maybe i've been a little lucky as i'm not a great rider by a long shot, but use your head and a superbike is safe and more fun than you can ever imagine

 

[RoysonBobson]

Cage comes from the term "baby cage" - maybe . it's a term used to describe a box which you are trapped in until you find a way out when you're a baby. i really need parenting classes but as i have no kids baby cages are fine by me.

at some point someone will tell me to stop talking crap. please do. lol

I use the term 'cage', but are you on crack!? Joking aside, I've never heard that explanation before.

Having a close relative who, for many years, worked in Accident & Emergency departments and operating theatres I've heard some of the horror stories of what happens to irresponsible motorists/motorcyclists; in fact it was a standing joke in the transplant wards that every time it rained the possibility of a transplant would go through the roof, with the doctors euphemistically referring to bikers as 'organ donors'. One anecdote is as follows: Apparently, when asked by a patient how long it would take until a donor organ would become available, one doctor looked out of the window at the gathering rain clouds and quipped "Oh, not long now..."

I've heard this as well from a nurse who worked in A&E. Sadly it does happen, hence the anecdote.

The casual disregard for consequences has led to the death of one individual and the traumatization of several others.

It is all so very unnecessary

This is also so true. Blame can be apportioned to both sides, but ultimately, one person lost a life, and the others involved must live with whatever part they played for the rest of their lives

 

[Dogbreath]

Shows that despite what some people are saying the driver still wasn't done for dangerous driving.

How do you know, is there another news article that states this?

 

[Scania]

Ultimately, this is a cmplete failure of common sence on so many parts.

Both bikers were riding at speeds that were totally unsuitable for the conditions whilst the driver of the car that pulled out was trying to overtake in the face of on-coming traffic.

I'd guess that the car driver saw the bike in his mirror but did not for one moment assume he was doing around 100mph common sence should have told him that he could not safey perform the overtake.

He pulls out into a space that really is not there and we know the rest.

I really wonder what went through the mind of the biker who then hit him in those few moments he's panic braking for......

Whatever they were, they were the last thoughts of his life.

The one I really feel for in all this is the white van driver who ultimately killed the biker through no fault of his own.

 

[Freefaller]

The one I really feel for in all this is the white van driver who ultimately killed the biker through no fault of his own.

Agreed. Not nice at all.

 

[Rich JR]

Well tbh i never seen anything really dangerous in the vid . And although it was a risky overtake and abit quick the car was at fault . He pulled out and clipped the rider and sent him into the path of the other car.

People do get startled when a big bike passes at speed.. i do to "if im not paying attention" . Its a bold statment but true im afraid. I drive 50k a year and consider myself a good driver but we all have lapses and when were not watching the road and mirrors when summit fast comes up from behind it can be abit of a shock . But 90% of time if you are aware you will see them comming ...move over and not get a fright as they pass .

Persil

Hi

He was going to fast, he could not pull up behind the car that you say was at fault

If anyone rides a bike like that then natural selection will have its' way.

I passed my test in 1981 and shortly afterwards completed the RAC ACU test (forerunner to star riders scheme).

I then trained as an instructor.

You sir are and idiot

v

 

[Rich JR]

a lot of valid views here, but you should all stop scare mongering about bikes in general... they just like cars can be lethal weapons in hands of someone without self control.

show self control, enjoy yourself when it's safe to and you can have a lifetime of cheap kicks, supercar smashing performance and traffic free motoring... I know as I've already had 24 years of this.

i ride quick sometimes, exceeded limits by several times, done stupid things on one wheel etc etc... but I've never ridden like the camera bike, the guy was riding a high of adrenelin and his m8 payed the ultimate price

maybe i've been a little lucky as i'm not a great rider by a long shot, but use your head and a superbike is safe and more fun than you can ever imagine

Scaremongering ..jeezuz that one, wake up.

It is each and every riders direct and unconditional responsibility to treat every road user with utmost respect.

If you **** of the Daily Mail readers with your my cans loader than yours attitude then we will have more **** from these people. Do you realise that when you scream through my village making a ***** awefull noise you are alienating yourself from the majority... they hate you, HATE YOU ... GOT IT.

Chaps like you are spoiling it for decent bikers.

Still, I reckon your young, I'll cut some slack here after all we have to sympathise when you accidentally

v

Read the FAQs - do not swear on the forums please. FF.

 

[Snaggle]

Hi

He was going to fast, he could not pull up behind the car that you say was at fault

If anyone rides a bike like that then natural selection will have its' way.

I passed my test in 1981 and shortly afterwards completed the RAC ACU test (forerunner to star riders scheme).

I then trained as an instructor.

You sir are and idiot

v

Cheers for the personal insult

I have been riding bikes since i was 16 . Police trained.. Ex Test driver and cover 20-50k a year with work .

If you had watched the HQ vid on Youtube you would have seen the car indicated as he moved over . Not before .

Why do i care what test you did .. If you read the rest of the posts you may have a better idea of the opinions on here but dont come on here picking my first post and having a dig .

Persil

 

[Freefaller]

I think this thread has run it's course and will just lead to more animosity and antagonism.