Petrol price future?

Dreadnort79 said:
we have rached oil peek
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lol.

utter tripe, the world has NEVER had so much oil as its disposal. I got speaking to the guy sat next to me on the way to NZ, turns out hes very high up in the oil mining industry in Kazakhstan, safe to say we are never going to run out soon put it that way :p
 
I'm going to dig up my garden and mine some oil, lol!

Fact is lots of projects (well the ones i'm working on in Kazakhstan) are being cut right back due to the falling price of oil.

But yes lots of it still about.
 
Duke said:
Because it gives off an impression of someone, i.e. poorly in your case.
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Im truly touched that a few people are more concerned about my spelling then the thread about petrol

so every person that spells something wrong in this case gives off a poor impression hummmm

ok

well i always new there was something fundimental wrong with the universe but i never thought it would come down to that.

Its no ones problem bar my own so dont worry about it

if you get whats being said who gives a monkeys
 
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Abraxaz1 said:
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Both the pirus and civic have been out mpg by standered car's, the only time they are truley decent is when people uppgrade the batteries to lithium polymer and run "silent".



Which we will never see realesed in any big amount's to have a impact on fuel prices of the europe.
Toyota had ev's in the 1990's but withdrawn them due to the fact they didn't produce enough revenue, this will most likely happen with these or they will be sold in such small numbers.
The rav4 had a range in 1997 on sealed lead acid batteries (nimh) of 100 miles, their was a 6 month waiting list to get one. The people wanted to buy it, toyota didn't want to sell it due to the low profits.
The ev1 had a highway range of 300 miles on lead acid batteries (nimh), demand once again was high, but they were recalled and crushed due to low profits from servicing and parts. Gm went on to build suv's as their next amin product....
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what a load of crap.

NiMH IS NOT lead acid.

The EV1 did 80 miles on lead, 150miles on NiMH.

It was scrapped/canned due to Chevron buying the large format battery patent that prevented batteries larger than 10Ah. Ovonics and cobasys can make them but cant sell many and they are expensive as little moeny is avaiavle to take them futher. toyota used them in the Rav4 until they were sued for $30m and had to take the factory down. Hence move to hybrids. Nothing to do with profits as none were sold they were all R&D mules on lease.
 
Cookie-Monster said:
we are never going to run out + we are not going to run out soon
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we are never going to run out soon??!! :D
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jeez whats with the pick on me thing :( :p

Firestar_3x said:
You flying standard class?
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indeed as was he. his normal business was with emirates but some complication meant he was on the Air NZ flight or something. not that he was moaning or anything, generally a top bloke :)
 
Jonnycoupe said:
what a load of crap.

NiMH IS NOT lead acid.

The EV1 did 80 miles on lead, 150miles on NiMH.

It was scrapped/canned due to Chevron buying the large format battery patent that prevented batteries larger than 10Ah. Ovonics and cobasys can make them but cant sell many and they are expensive as little moeny is avaiavle to take them futher. toyota used them in the Rav4 until they were sued for $30m and had to take the factory down. Hence move to hybrids. Nothing to do with profits as none were sold they were all R&D mules on lease.
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Sorry nimh is a acid magnessium battery which is old tech,

General Motors owned ECD Ovionics which manufactured
Ovonics large NiMH batteries. This technology allowed
the EVI to run 150 miles without gas. GM sold its share of
ECD Ovonics to Texaco Oil. Chevron bought Texaco and
now owns a 20% stake in ECD Ovionics. Now GM is
producing a VOLT slated to get 40 miles until the next
charge. Chevron oil owns the technology on the NiMH battery
which gets 150 miles per charge.
Nothing in any news sites that mentions sueing??

And the eve distances were taken off their wiki. also i took the motorway speeds, If you did your research on electric motors in ev's you would know that accerlation uses up more current than keeping a steady speed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1
Please look at the ev1 gen 2 for the details, i actually under qouted the distance.

No Rav4 were sold??? are u a idioit If they were on lease only they would have been destroyed exactly like the ev1's, and the leased rav4.
But amazingly you can still buy secound hand ones.
Did you actually, read the deatils of the court case?
Gm, were not making a profit from parts and spares, they forced the state of califorina to stop the min ev built scheme.
They then started building suv's, which happen to need constant servicing and parts + use up large quantities of fuel.

Discontinuance

Toyota discontinued the RAV4 EV program one day after the passing of new air-quality requirements by CARB. CARB eliminated most of the Zero Emissions Vehicle requirement, substituting a greater number of partial zero-emissions vehicles (PZEVs) to meet the requirement. A Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (SULEV) category was also added. This program requirement was designed to obtain equivalent emissions reductions by substituting less expensive, more general purpose vehicles.
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so yes i do know what im talking about...


Link to who killed the electric car, for a quick glance of the subject
 
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Abraxaz1 - you're getting a little aggressive, personal attacks are not allowed.

Suggest you chill out otherwise someone will turn off your Submit Reply button..!
 
merlin said:
Abraxaz1 - you're getting a little aggressive, personal attacks are not allowed.

Suggest you chill out otherwise someone will turn off your Submit Reply button..!
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hmm probaly, but i hate when people come on saying im talking a load of crap when if been intressted and researching evs since i turned 16.
 
Abraxaz1 said:
And the eve distances were taken off their wiki. also i took the motorway speeds, If you did your research on electric motors in ev's you would know that accerlation uses up more current than keeping a steady speed.
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Thats the same for any moving object, its not unique to EV.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1
Please look at the ev1 gen 2 for the details, i actually under qouted the distance.
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Your quoting wiki after stating a 300 mile range on NiMH(lead) that doesnt exist?

[quoteNo Rav4 were sold??? are u a idioit If they were on lease only they would have been destroyed exactly like the ev1's, and the leased rav4.[/quote]

Some may have been sold to large corps which now have petered into the public domain. Its success was never determined by consumer sales.

You need to look into Large format 95Ah NiMH more if you think toyota lawsuit didnt happen.
 
Right now im ok with petrol prices. I see this way, Prices are gona go up and we will have to live with it, like it or not.

If it does to continue to rise, then i wont able to afford my 2.0 Accord. I will just have to downgrade to something that will suit my needs.

Bah...
 
Carry on your research I suggest as lithium polymer isnt the next big thing.

I think most the stuff you can google or wiki is public stuff which is somewhat behind what the OEM's are doing so im a little dismissive of your researching since 16 comment when you have called sealed lead battery Nickel Metal Hydride, then its magnesium acid or something....

Nothing wrong with NiMH, its robust and reasonably well understood with 15C discharge rates possible. Shelf life is better than Lithium Iron.
 
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