Test Drove a few VXR's today! :)

on another vauxhall related note

anybody going to rockingham next weekend for the VXR track days ?

booked mine specificly for the VXR8 wet drifting arena. Cant wait :D
 
cheets64 said:
Vauxhall thread trashed, on ocuk, no wai.
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Lets recap the OP's question, shall we?

Just curious to see what the publics thoughts are
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Are there we go. A thread full of peoples thoughts on Astra's is hardly trashed. Infact yours was, as per usual, the first completely off topic post in the thread. But this sort of hypocrisy is something we have come to expect from you in Motors.
 
Ask for opinions and you'll get them.

Not a massive fan of VX and I won't touch the standard stuff but the VX range seems decent enough and worth a try against the competition.
 
i had great fun driving an Stra vxr on a vxr raceday a year or two ago. based on that i would definately say i could own one despite it being a vauxhall. they are fast, look okay and do handle pretty good.

okay they arent raw like a caterham, but its the rawest version of the current astra, and its also rawer than the focus ST in that its a "point it and boost it" kind of drive with a non refined manner. perfect!
 
leon4112 said:
To be fair i would wait for the new version the interior on the new astra looks well very nice tbh i like it a lot

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=20132
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Can't say I'm a big fan of that interior, but then I've never seen the attraction of retro style dials for a start.

Arguably the current shape Astra looks better on the outside as well? The new one looks rather bland from those shots.
 
[TW]Fox;14321747 said:
I'm not judging these cars based on my tastes - if I was, I'd be calling them all crap and suggesting he buys a BMW M5 instead. I'm judging them relative to the competition.
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Yes you do, every car your recommended had to be a steady and sensible as a Mondeo during your ownership of one. Now with the BMW, everything has to have the build quality of a luxury German saloon.

So why don't I hate the Golf GTI and Focus ST?
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Because they are the sensible choice, the balance between ying and yang and the empirical quantum.

It's not. Why are you assuming I hate the Astra simply because it isn't my sort of car?
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But you er do, you don’t like Vauxhalls.

To people who read Max Power on finance?
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Damn right that’s who these cars are for. And thank goodness for that as it means they retain the image they go for.


Fox, I fear your biggest problem when assessing cars like this is that you grew up and passed your test too late.

You missed out on owning and driving some of the classic greats like the Astra GTE, Nova GTE, 205 GTI, R5 GTT etc etc.

Cars that were built to fall apart, rattles came as standard but gave you that raw passion many of the modern cars can’t. That ability to love or appreciate a car despite tacky plastic and questionable reputation, the ability to select a car based on your heart and not your head.
 
mrk1@1 said:
Yes you do, every car your recommended had to be a steady and sensible as a Mondeo during your ownership of one. Now with the BMW, everything has to have the build quality of a luxury German saloon.
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I wonder why I recommended a Focus ST then, given that it has nowhere near the build quality of a luxury German saloon. When are people on this forum going to stop trying to be pyschologists, none of you are any good at it.

Because they are the sensible choice, the balance between ying and yang and the empirical quantum.
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A 220bhp 2.5 litre turbocharged 3 door hatchback with £130 a corner tyres. How sensible.

But you er do, you don’t like Vauxhalls.
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Because every single one I've ever driven has been a bitter dissapointment. Don't mind the Omega, though.



the ability to select a car based on your heart
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heart and Vauxhall Astra :confused: :(

heart = Alfa 147 GTA

Contrary to popular beleif I am able to understand buying cars with your heart versus your head. Unless you genuinelly think my purchase of a 3 litre 5 Series at the age off 22 whilst at Uni which I knew would break and cost a fortune to run was a logical, sensible and rational decision.
 
[TW]Fox;14327992 said:
Contrary to popular beleif I am able to understand buying cars with your heart versus your head. Unless you genuinelly think my purchase of a 3 litre 5 Series at the age off 22 whilst at Uni which I knew would break and cost a fortune to run was a logical, sensible and rational decision.
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Yer but you calculated every finality of ownership before the purchase and hunted for months for the right one.

Buying a car led by your heart on a whim was like when I bought my 172, drove passed the dealers, saw it (wasn't looking for one) tried it, bought it there and then as I had always wanted one.
I then worked out the ownership costs and insurance.

Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking your car choices or rationale mate as it is very sound and always the voice of reason. The thing is people are different and what floats your boat is not the same thing as a typical VXR owner.
 
mrk1@1 said:
You missed out on owning and driving some of the classic greats like the Astra GTE, Nova GTE, 205 GTI, R5 GTT etc etc.
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Indeed. Fox, what would you have said if this was 1989 and he was buying an Astra GTE 16v for example, or a 205 GTi 1.9. Neither renowned for their build quality or reliability but awesome cars and the most fun hot hatches of their era. Oh and the Sierra XR 4x4 is another oldie but goodie which springs to mind, lots of fun but very unsensible to buy.
 
mrk1@1 said:
Fox, I fear your biggest problem when assessing cars like this is that you grew up and passed your test too late.

You missed out on owning and driving some of the classic greats like the Astra GTE, Nova GTE, 205 GTI, R5 GTT etc etc.

Cars that were built to fall apart, rattles came as standard but gave you that raw passion many of the modern cars can’t. That ability to love or appreciate a car despite tacky plastic and questionable reputation, the ability to select a car based on your heart and not your head.
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What's that got to do with anything, this is NOW, this isnt the age where rattly fall apart vehicles are the norm, nor is it when only 2 or 3 manufacturers create competing vehicles. There is a wide choice for hot hatches and being able to recommend one over the other is just natural. I'm not saying I care too much for it, but thats just what the market brings to us nowadays, and to say 'oh its ok, some of the best cars in the past were like that', just doesnt cut it IMO. If anything you're saying if you drove those vehicles you mentioned you'd have a biased view of the market today and ACCEPT flaws, which you shouldnt unless you have no choice, but, you do have choice.

I doubt Fox and others are saying that the VXR is 'absolutely terrible', just that it's small or minor flaws are something some of its competition dont have. So clearly it is comparable, but given the choice, it is possible to have what some would consider a better overall vehicle.
 
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