Arrested for asking a policeman his badge number

[Dave M]

Another compo claim about to be paid out from the public purse because of police brutality.

I think police brutality is a bit strong, you have to go back a long long way to see any sort of police brutality - this is just a difficult arrest.

My question would be why is the arrest being made in the first place, and are police being trained to respond in the right way to daily events such as photographs and asking for your badge.

It could be said to be intimidating, being filmed and asked you badge number all the time, but I don't see why the police rise to it.

 

[Sankari]

Non-standard procedure doesn't make it illegal procedure.

No, but it's both ****** stupid and completely unnecessary in this case. Just another thug in uniform wanting to knock a woman around.

 

[Sankari]

It could be said to be intimidating, being filmed and asked you badge number all the time, but I don't see why the police rise to it.

But in this case the people doing the filming were the cops. Not the two women or anyone with them. And if a cop feels intimidated by a harmless woman asking his badge number, what kind of gutless **** is he?

 

[Von Smallhausen]

Von Smallhausen, could the policeman have been trying to stop her from complaining about him?

How would you do that though ? If the woman feels she has been badly treated then she should be able to complain and not be disuaded from doing so.

Do ridiculous complaints (that aren't true) cause officers a lot of bother? I should imagine there would be paperwork and interview's with PS, but if someone complains with an unfounded complaint, do you still worry about it in the back of your mind or just shake it off?

I have recently had a complaint dismissed against me and when I was given the dreaded Reg 9 by Professional Standards and cautioned I was taken aback, moreso because the allegation was completely without foundation and it was on my mind for the 3 months it was active.

The complainant then went straight to the IPCC.

 

[AJUK]

This sort of behavior by the police will get more frequent and more brutal in the coming years.

 

[Dave M]

But in this case the people doing the filming were the cops. Not the two women or anyone with them. And if a cop feels intimidated by a harmless woman asking his badge number, what kind of gutless **** is he?

the woman's companions were taking photographs, that was said at the start and is clear through the video.

The police filmed yes, but the woman's group were photographing police officers.

 

[moremoney]

I like that you could take pictures of the police whilst they are going about their work.

There are many cases where the public video has proven police brutality (not that it has done much good for those beaten up by the police), but now the law has changed you can be locked up for taking pictures of the police.

I know it is because of the terrorism act, but that will be the excuse to stop you filming them when they want to beat the crap outa you.

 

[Burnsy2023]

This is pretty much my view, quoted from another forum:

With the usual proviso that you're not necessarily seeing the whole picture just on the one (perhaps edited) video, albeit from a police source I would say that:
- can't see any reason to refuse to give number
- can't see why obstruction was justified
- don't see how a neck-hold is an authorised restraining technique
- didn't see a level of violence exhibited to justify leg restraints
- don't see how standing on someone's foot is an approved method to stop them kicking

It all goes to show the police in a bad light, and I can't see much justification for the officer behaviour shown and reported, on that evidence.

"we watch the watchers" - god someone get a life

It somewhat debatable the legality of the FIT at the moment, so I don't see why there's any problem with them being 'monitored': Police should be accountable and everything.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

Everybody see that? Great.

Erm. What ?

Indeed. But why did the cop refuse to give his badge number? It's a funny old world when the police refuse to identify themselves, don't you think?

Why don't you ask him or am I yet again a conduit for your disdain against the police ?

"If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide". And so on, and so forth.

Apparently .....

Both women were released without charge. Oops!

And that affects me in what way ?

I personally would not have arrested that woman for obstructing police in those circumstances. She was arrested and she was released. Good for her and if the officer is complained against then he will have to answer for it.

Evangelion, I try my utmost to explain procedure on these forums in posts such as these and also try to give examples of my personal experience, again to try to explain to people who may be interested in a police opinion as a comparison or similarity. This I do not mind.

What I take exception to is someone with little or no experience in policing matters using me as a channel for their displeasure and offensive generalisations when something police related riles them.

 

[Energize]

I've watched the first two parts and I can't watch any more "zomg we parked on double yellow lines", give me a break,

Convieniently stopped watching before the rape incidents then.

most of the things she is claiming happened were not even shown on film, nor can we verify the authenticity of any of the video she shot.

I think it's a bit far fetched to assume the whole thing was staged...

 

[Dave M]

What I take exception to is someone with little or no experience in policing matters using me as a channel for their displeasure and offensive generalisations when something police related riles them.

Von does have it hard on this forum - I understand the police aren't the most loved profession in the world, that though is their lot in life.

But he doesn't represent every policeman in the world either and some people should remember his opinions are just that, his, he isn't responsible for every policeman who has ever upset you or you have read about in the paper.

 

[DrDee]

This is why we need the sue culture of the USA, if it is deemed the police have acted wrongly they should be forced to pay out appropriate amount of compensation (hundreds of thousands in this case imo, if it is of course how the Guardian makes out events to have happned)

It may lead to a lot of nonsense claims, but I think the lack of civil liberties we have in this country is becoming seriously alarming and dangerous, people should be compensated an awful lot when the people who are in charge of taking away what little we have left get it so very wrong. I hope the police in this instance are not guilty and there is more to the story because this kind of thing should not be happening in this country.

 

[jlss]

Strange why he would hide his number, or maybe he wanted no come backs.

Funny thing is the idiot will be quick enough to put his number on the arrest sheet.

 

[Tony Williams]

Police - get them off our street.

.... well these ones.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

Von does have it hard on this forum - I understand the police aren't the most loved profession in the world, that though is their lot in life.

But he doesn't represent every policeman in the world either and some people should remember his opinions are just that, his, he isn't responsible for every policeman who has ever upset you or you have read about in the paper.

I have said before that I sometimes rue the day I revealed what I did.

Policing is not a popularity contest as it is a no win for you if that is why you joined.

Some like you, some are indifferent and some want to see serious harm come to you due to some nylon, cotton and kevlar that they cannot see through if that makes sense.

 

[Dave M]

This is why we need the sue culture of the USA.

American police are better than UK police? Did he just say that, truly?

Seriously I can't be 100%, not having lived all over the US or even all over the UK, but US police don't come over well in the media.

 

[moremoney]

The OP is about the female being arrested for asking for a badge number and I stick by my comments that I do not believe that was the reason for her arrest as the offence does not exist.

The arresting officer cited obstructing police for his grounds and if the arrestee wishes a day in court to argue to the contrary the that is her right, as is complaining against her treatment and arrest.

There is no offence committed in asking for an officers number, which is why the offence of " obstructing the police " was invented.

And we all know that you never get your "day in court " because no charges are bought when the police know they have overstepped the line.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

There is no offence committed in asking for an officers number, which is why the offence of " obstructing the police " was invented.

I hope you will forgive me in dismissing that out of hand.

Obstructing a Constable, by virtue of the 1996 Police Act is just for that, obstructing a constable in that the person obstructs the officer during the course of their duty for which their are numerous examples.

If it was invented for what you say, why was the woman in the OP not charged ?

And we all know that you never get your "day in court " because no charges are bought when the police know they have overstepped the line.

And rightly bloody so. Wouldn't you agree ?

 

[Hellsmk2]

Non-standard procedure doesn't make it illegal procedure.

If a policeman is not showing his number, it's very much illegal. It's also extremely worrying as you have to question why that policeman has decided to hide his number.

 

[moremoney]

@ Von Smaullhausen.

I would like to say that i am grateful to the good police officers, who do one of the hardest jobs going, it is not a job i would like to do, my life is to valuble to me and my family.
But i do hate seeing these ****ers who believe their badge means that when they say crawl then you do it.