life after death

I don't believe there is, but can fully understand why some would, it is a very comforting idea that when you die you come back and live again, or maybe go to some sort of afterlife be it heaven/hell/paradise with 100 virgins.

I cannot get my head around the idea of death as a complete end to my sentience, it just makes my head hurt like when I think about the Universe being infinite and expanding in on itself. Despite that however, I can not believe in either an afterlife or reincarnation such as it is because it defies everything I understand, it's also the reason I don't believe in god or ghosts or mediums etc.
 
drunkenmaster said:
This is the strangest thing I find about people clinging to religion as a way to not have to face up to death being the complete end of you. Who wants to literally live forever, when you really really think about the concept its just truly and utterly terrifying. Right now I get bored pretty easily, tv's often the same stuff over and over, very little thats truly original, Books, the odd great one but lots of rehashed crap. Can you honestly imagine playing football for 7 trillion years, with other people who have played for as long, not only would it be boring playing in real life every single day for 100 years, but forever?

Just how many games of footie, tv shows, meals, walks, rounds of golf would it take before you went out of your mind from utter boredom.

Theres the idea that say heaven is blissful all the time, would that mean you can't feel sadness or pain in any way at all, its only our ability to feel sadness and pain that gives us a quantifyable measure with which to feel happyness/joy to the same level. If you were simply happy all the time it would just feel dull and hollow and not real.

The very idea of living forever is the most awful thing I think could ever happen to anyone and the fact that so many people use the idea as an escape, without a seconds thought to how truly terrible it would be is hilarious to me.

I'd prefer to live life, enjoy it and be able to feel pain and joy to equal extremes with an eventual end, than live forever and not have a single action I ever take mean a damn thing ever.
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Can't agree more. I think it would be terrifying for life to exist after death. It would be like ground hog day. Imagine waking up to the same pap day after day, and you are completely trapped against your will.
 
I agree, I would hate to live forever maybe a 1000 or 2000 years. But not for eternity. eventually technology would me you have visited every thing in the universe and done everything. Assuming you are fortunate enough to be rich.

Out body experience and tunnels of lights. Is just strong hormones and other chemicals released when close to death. Have you ever seen documentaries on it and how powerful these chemicals are.

My mums both religious and has had outer body and near death experience when she died giving birth before being resuscitated. Even she doesn't think it's God and that it's just a chemical reaction. But then she was a nurse.
 
Fenris said:
I don't believe there is, but can fully understand why some would, it is a very comforting idea that when you die you come back and live again, or maybe go to some sort of afterlife be it heaven/hell/paradise with 100 virgins.
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Just a note the whole 100 virgins thing is likely to be a mistranslation, while popularly believed there is some evidence to suggest the actual translation referred to 100 dates (the food), which i personally believe is a symbolism of not going hungry/thirsty again (through the lack of need for food)

But that all kind of spawns from the sheep ethic rather than philosophical self discovery and guidance that was its original intention (imo)

As for life after death, i think there is something in it but not in the literal sense as represented in modern theology, it is rather sad people feel the need to push their views on others (from both sides, in my life personally i found people who don't hold any religion far worse in pushing their views than anyone with a faith)
 
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From a scientific point of view, I believe the most evidence we have about life after death are the reports of near death experiences from people who come back from being clinically dead.

Dont get me wrong I'd agree that most of the "NDE's" written on the internet are not actual NDE's but people being simply unconcious or dreaming. Instead I'm talking about the ones where people are completely deadv(No heart beat, brain function etc) and come back and describe conversations, sights, sounds, people etc.

Child NDE's are also very interesting reads because they come back describing things that they didn't know of before (like grandparents, uncles, friends, events etc)
 
Robbie G said:
...more logical reason for them. People have become inclined to religion for the most tragic and pathetic reasons....
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There's your first mistake.

Robbie G said:
There is no such thing as a higher power.
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Second mistake. How is it any more "logical" to flat-out say there is no such thing as a higher power, than it is to flat-out say there is....there's no stronger evidence in defence of one position than there is the other...

The level of self-assuredness that there is no god that always arises in this threads is always amusing.
 
howiepoohs said:
All evidence suggests that death is mearly the total failure of the conscious and unconscious mind. The body is then disposed of. As egocentric beings, we find this hard to accept and make up stories about it to cheer us up a touch. This makes it eaiser to accept that total nothingness awaits and you wont even be aware of it.
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As this statement is completely subjective...there is certainly NO evidence to substantiate it (as it is rather hard for a dead person to testify to something)! :p
 
Carzy said:
How is it any more "logical" to flat-out say there is no such thing as a higher power, than it is to flat-out say there is....there's no stronger evidence in defence of one position than there is the other...

The level of self-assuredness that there is no god that always arises in this threads is always amusing.
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It's called common sense and probablility you absolute clown. :D How can you possibly say it's more likely that there is a higher power than not? THAT'S what's amusing.
 
Robbie G said:
It's called common sense and probablility you absolute clown. :D How can you possibly say it's more likely that there is a higher power than not? THAT'S what's amusing.
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Where did I say that? When you learn to read, and then when you actually can come back with any kind of grasp about what you are talking about then maybe you can call me a clown. Until then, stop looking like the clown yourself.
 
Robbie G said:
You said it there :confused:. Previously I believed it pointless arguing with religious goons with no common sense. Now I know it.
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What makes you think I'm religious?

And no I didn't say it there. Evidently you can't understand the English language. Let me restate it in different and hopefully easier terms for you: You said, definitively, "there is no such thing as a higher power"; I'm saying that you can't say definitively one way or the other, and that I don't believe there's more of a case for saying "there isn't" than "there is". If you want me to draw you a picture and use words of no more than one syllable each I can try?

The use of a so called common sense to defend your argument (if you can call it an argument) is interesting as well, especially seeing as if you lived merely one hundred years ago, your common sense would probably have taken you in the opposite direction.

Please go and read a book for me, hopefully it'll improve both the standard of your English and the standard of your debating.
 
Carzy said:
Where did I say that? When you learn to read, and then when you actually can come back with any kind of grasp about what you are talking about then maybe you can call me a clown. Until then, stop looking like the clown yourself.
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I think his point is more along the lines of - just because we can't disprove something, that doesn't mean it's true. There's no evidence that there is a higher power, yet there's no way of absolutely disproving that there isn't, yet.

People like to believe in something, that's the basis of all religion and hope is an incredibly strong foundation to build it on. Life after death is ultimately about hope, that once you die that's not the end of you. One thing is sure, nobody as yet has managed to prove one way or the other, I'd love to believe in it, but I can't convince myself that there is anything once I die. I'm not enormously bothered by the prospect either :)
 
Carzy said:
The use of a so called common sense to defend your argument (if you can call it an argument) is interesting as well, especially seeing as if you lived merely one hundred years ago, your common sense would probably have taken you in the opposite direction.

Please go and read a book for me, hopefully it'll improve both the standard of your English and the standard of your debating.
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Calm down mate, don't rise to it.

Your common sense 100 years ago would have lead you to believe many things that were frankly laughable these days. What if in 10 years someone proves that there is no life after death, no god either? Do you really think that anyone who is religious or frankly scared of dying would accept it? Of course not. Yet if there was any shred of evidence that there was life after death or a god, you can bet your backside they'd be holding onto it with grim determination.
 
We're made up of a series of electrical impulses. When there's no longer an oxygen supply, those impulses stop. We're dead, that's it.

Saying that there's life after death is like suggesting that when my toaster breaks down and there's no more electricity flowing through it, it'll come back as a dishwasher. Dumb.
 
Kami said:
Calm down mate, don't rise to it.
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I am calm? I'm just amused because it's like shooting fish in a barrel.


Kami said:
Your common sense 100 years ago would have lead you to believe many things that were frankly laughable these days. What if in 10 years someone proves that there is no life after death, no god either? Do you really think that anyone who is religious or frankly scared of dying would accept it? Of course not. Yet if there was any shred of evidence that there was life after death or a god, you can bet your backside they'd be holding onto it with grim determination.
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Yes it would...I don't quite see your point?

Kami said:
Do you really think that anyone who is religious or frankly scared of dying would accept it? Of course not. Yet if there was any shred of evidence that there was life after death or a god, you can bet your backside they'd be holding onto it with grim determination.
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I'm sure many people would accept it, and I'm sure many people wouldn't, but I'd say at that point that yes, the people who don't believe it could be seen as misguided...but until that point they are perfectly entitled to hold such a belief without being "illogical". I'm not saying that some people don't use religion as some kind of hope mechanism, but I'm saying that anyone who outright says that any kind of religious belief is irrational or just plain foolish has also become those things themself.

The concept of using logic to prove or disprove such an idea as life after death or the existence of God is actually a lot more complicated than people in this thread appear to think. In fact, the question of whether it is even possible to "prove" the existence of God is an interesting one.
 
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