Am I right to moan at noisy neighbours?

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Our neighbours have hired help which rocks up at 6:30 each evening and starts sawing (using circular saws), drilling and hammering into the evening.
This work is done outside the front of their house which is attached to ours.

We have a young child and its hard enough getting her to sleep in this hot weather without the added noise. We have to keep the windows open. The noise can be heard - and in some cases felt! - all around the house.

We've asked them to bear in mind the fact we have a young child but they're not happy at all.
I know the law states 11pm or something but are there exceptions? Its a private residential area.
 
Yes, I think you are right. It's bloody inconsiderate of your neighbours. If they know you have a child then they should instruct their builders to start and cease work at times that will have little impact on your family.

My neighbours would get a rocket up their arse from me if they woke me up at 0630, I can tell you.
 
A couple of options are to speak to Citizens Advice and also the environmental health department of the local authority.

They can advise you on noise matters.


Depends if the environmental health people can be bothered though, we have a problem with our neighbours constantly slamming doors which has left cracks in the walls of our bathroom that we not long ago spent 3k fulling tiling out and renewing, went to the environmental health people who said they could help us, that was until i mentioned the neighbours were Pakistani when you could see the environmental health peoples chins hit the floor as they started to make every excuse under the sun why they then couldn't, after weeks of threatening the council (their landlords) with legal action they finally did send the environmental health people out with a machine to measure the noise lvl's but as soon as it was fitted until an hour after it was removed the abuse from next door stopped, we later found out that they had been sent a letter warning them they would be recorded, when asked why we were told if they hadn't been it would be "breaking their human rights :mad: " eighteen months later the abuse is still happening.
 
Yes, I think you are right. It's bloody inconsiderate of your neighbours. If they know you have a child then they should instruct their builders to start and cease work at times that will have little impact on your family.

My neighbours would get a rocket up their arse from me if they woke me up at 0630, I can tell you.
6:30 in the evening...
 
Depends if the environmental health people can be bothered though, we have a problem with our neighbours constantly slamming doors which has left cracks in the walls of our bathroom that we not long ago spent 3k fulling tiling out and renewing, went to the environmental health people who said they could help us, that was until i mentioned the neighbours were Pakistani when you could see the environmental health peoples chins hit the floor as they started to make every excuse under the sun why they then couldn't, after weeks of threatening the council (their landlords) with legal action they finally did send the environmental health people out with a machine to measure the noise lvl's but as soon as it was fitted until an hour after it was removed the abuse from next door stopped, we later found out that they had been sent a letter warning them they would be recorded, when asked why we were told if they hadn't been it would be "breaking their human rights :mad: " eighteen months later the abuse is still happening.
so evidently they are capable of being quieter, and are aware of what the problem is, make a record of conversations with them about it. I doubt them being pakistani meant anything to anyone except yourself
 
Depends if the environmental health people can be bothered though, we have a problem with our neighbours constantly slamming doors which has left cracks in the walls of our bathroom that we not long ago spent 3k fulling tiling out and renewing, went to the environmental health people who said they could help us, that was until i mentioned the neighbours were Pakistani when you could see the environmental health peoples chins hit the floor as they started to make every excuse under the sun why they then couldn't, after weeks of threatening the council (their landlords) with legal action they finally did send the environmental health people out with a machine to measure the noise lvl's but as soon as it was fitted until an hour after it was removed the abuse from next door stopped, we later found out that they had been sent a letter warning them they would be recorded, when asked why we were told if they hadn't been it would be "breaking their human rights :mad: " eighteen months later the abuse is still happening.

I would suggest you take it up with them again and at a higher level.

Someone's ethnicity is not a bar to them being investigated and to try to wriggle out of it on that basis is quite wrong.
 
I don't see a problem with it. It's a bit annoying, but if that's the only time they can get whatever it is they're doing done, then it's just tough.

Get earplugs/ a fan.
 
Join the club, tbh. Our landlord's daughter lives next door, and she is out all day working (fair enough). She comes in around 6pm and after a change of clothes is straight back out again on the lash. For the last three years, she's returned without fail between 10pm and 1am and whacked her stereo on loud and invited all her mates over.

Thumping music, screaming, whistling, shouting and fighting (physical) as well as arguments about needles, 'gear' and god knows what. Our floors and beds shake, and the children are sat along the end of our bed between 3am and 8am unable to sleep (the 'parties' invariably start around midnight and continue until 8am the next morning!).

I asked her nicely if she knew she was having such an effect on us when it started, and her reply was "So? Your kids play out in the garden until 7.30pm and I can hear them!". Suffice to say I was suitably confused/enraged, but I didn't show it. I asked if she was honestly equating three young children playing board games and sunbathing in their own garden during the afternoon, with blasting music and having fistfights all night until 8am on a school night, and she just walked off.

The next time this happened, I knocked on her door at 3.30am and her on/off bloke answered with an immediate "We'll turn it down, yeah?"... Only for me to get a call off her dad/our landlord that afternoon to ask why I was "bullying" his daughter and shouting at her in the street?! Once I explained what really happened (again), he seemed a little more on-side, but she still does it regularly and the landlord's made clear that if we don't like it, we can always move...

Yay for the rental market atm :(
 
Our neighbours have hired help which rocks up at 6:30 each evening and starts sawing (using circular saws), drilling and hammering into the evening.
This work is done outside the front of their house which is attached to ours.

We have a young child and its hard enough getting her to sleep in this hot weather without the added noise. We have to keep the windows open. The noise can be heard - and in some cases felt! - all around the house.

We've asked them to bear in mind the fact we have a young child but they're not happy at all.
I know the law states 11pm or something but are there exceptions? Its a private residential area.

The recommended cut off for building work is either 6pm or 7pm, ring your local council, ask to speak to the environmental health officer on duty and explain the situation, they WILL deal with it.
 
Making a complaint

All neighbour noise problems are best dealt with informally by having a chat with the neighbour concerned, or even a short polite note. Don't assume your neighbours know that they are causing you a problem. If you let them know you are having a problem then at least you give them a chance to sort things out without resorting to the law first! Sometimes there is a need for compromise. But, there are occasions when you don't want to approach a neighbour directly. You have the right to make a complaint about noise nuisance to the local environmental health offices.

Local Authorities have a duty to investigate noise nuisance complaints. Most complaints received by councils relate to domestic noise. The Environmental Protection Act 1990, Sections 79 - 81, defines a STATUTORY noise nuisance as being noise prejudicial to health or a nuisance from premises, and from vehicles, machinery and equipment in the street, and the powers of the local authority to deal with the problem. (Noise also includes vibration).

Remember also that the investigating officer (usually, but not always, a qualified environmental health officer) MUST have enough evidence of his own to build up a good case against your neighbour. Otherwise, how else can the Council take any further action, beyond perhaps a letter informing your neighbour that a complaint has been made and what it's about? You might be asked to keep your own diary of noise nuisance events, but this is not 'evidence'. The information is used by the investigating officer to 'score' the factors above, and decide on the best times to visit if necessary. The officer will assess all this information, and will be sufficiently experienced to know whether this case looks like one which needs further attention or is one which falls into the "ok, you have a problem, but this situation will be unlikely to be a case for statutory noise nuisance action". Without enough quality evidence, the Council is powerless to take any further formal action. However, if the Council has not already sent a letter, there may be enough information to justify an 'informal letter' to the neighbour at this stage. On the other hand, you also have to weigh the possibility that your neighbour will be offended by the fact you have the Council involved, and will the problem only get worse. It is your choice.

Formal action

On the other hand, let's say that your diary records scored highly if one was asked for, and that your complaint has been investigated. The environmental health officer agrees that a statutory noise nuisance exists. What then? The officer then has a duty to serve a 'Statutory Nuisance Abatement Notice' on the person causing the problem if they are known, or the owner of the premises, or both. The Notice will have to specify exactly what the problem is, and what action must be taken to comply with the Notice, and a time scale (usually at least 21 days which allows the recipient opportunity to appeal to the Court against the Notice. If it is an 'emergency' and in the public interest then this can be reduced to hours, for example when dealing with a continuously sounding audible intruder alarm when it is known the occupiers have gone away. In this case the Council will usually take steps to carry out the work after obtaining a warrant of entry from the Court, and recharging the costs to the owners or occupiers of the premises).

Sometimes the action or work required is straight forward, sometimes a bit more difficult. But if the Notice is not complied with within the stated period of time, i.e. the noise problem does not stop, then the Council is obliged to pursue further legal action because at this point the neighbour is guilty of an offence. Again, the Council needs to get more evidence to prove that the nuisance is still happening after the expiry of the Notice. If this evidence is available, then the council will issue a summons on your neighbour to attend court. Your evidence in court may be needed depending on the circumstances.

If the magistrate agrees that your neighbour is guilty of the offence of causing noise nuisance and failing to reasonably comply with a Nuisance Abatement Notice, the fine levied can be anything up to £5000. So if you are a person being accused of a noise nuisance, think carefully about the possible consequences. Courts these days take noise nuisance very seriously, and a first fine of £2000 is not unusual!
 

You seem to have missed the section where it says 'none of this applies to Imigrants'? ;)

Good sensible advice there, when we went through this problem I created a quick log file on the desktop of my PC and recorded simple details of every time there was a problem. I logged time, date, Type of disturbance, impact of the disturbance and any action taken. Fortunately after a month or two of complaining every time they over stepped the mark they decided to be quiet.
 
Tbh I wouldn't complain about noise at 6:30pm. Sucks that you have a kid but imo it's perfectly reasonable to be doing DIY type tasks at this time. It shouldn't go on for too long hopefully.
 
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