Win??? Seriously dude.
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Win??? Seriously dude.
Yeah. I know full well where this thread is going, some have already given us a taster.
So rather than give them ammunition, i'm going to back out before I get the thread locked, which wouldn't be fair to the OP.
After all, this isn't graphics cards.
It's just going in huge loops anyway.
Yeah but come on, you're both trying to convince eachother about how they're wrong as to why doom 3 or half life 2 was better.
Surely the topic you're arguing about is enough to realise it's something you can't argue?
Tute, you obviously prefer Doom 3, great that's your opinion and choice. It's not wrong or right because it only matters to you if a game is good or not.
I prefer Half Life 2 myself, but I'm not gonna argue with you the reasons why it's better than Doom, because to you Doom is the better game, there's no point in me telling you why it's better because those reasons are my opninion and telling you why it's better isn't going to make you agree.
Not having a go, I just think it's pointless to argue over which game is better when it's only relevant to who ever likes the game more over an other one.
Actually, that's not what I was doing at all (if I'm one of the "both" you're referring to?).
All I basically said was that I disagree with Tute, even saying myself that opinion cannot be accurate or inaccurate in this sense.
Anyways, all moot, and no harm done
Because you didnt quote my explanation for it. Now it just looks like a single sentence arrogant statement, much like your postings which continue to avoid counter argueing points and now your taking the easy way out because of your fact like opinionns.
I do hope that statement was said in jest and you dont actually believe those foolish misguided words?
*edit* welsh@fusion! small world..
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Doom 3 had a pioneering engine and great graphics/textures. HL2 also set the standard at the time, though was less of a leap forward than D3, that's a given. The lighting engine on D3 was the highlight, pity you got to see so little of it.
In terms of physics, HL2 has arguably STILL the best physics engine out there, 5 years on. Perhaps you didn't see all the traps in Ravenholme you could make use of, or other puzzles that relied on manipulating the physics. Doom 3 had basically no physics engine at all, it had no impact on the game.
In terms of atmosphere, HL2 had very believable characters, amazing facial animation (still probably the best out there), plots within plots with lots of sides and characters involved (Breen, combine, resistance, G-man, those alien things, alyx and the scientists, etc). Doom 3 had... you vs demons. It did what it did very well, but it was a simplistic model.
In terms of immersive gameplay, that's definitely a matter of opinion. I found HL2's more varied (physics related, battle on vehicles, set pieces of you plus comrades vs the combine and so on), Doom 3's was basically "Walls will disappear and monsters will jump out at you". High adrenaline, yes, but not very varied.
With comments like this you're not doing the game any favours! HL2 is universally regarded as one of the best games of all time, D3 is a decent engine and an average game. Your opinion may vary and you're entitled to that, but claiming D3 is better than HL2 you'll need an incredibly good argument to not get completely shot down.
You're not helping your argument when you just reek of troll.
What do you mean so little of it? Even the HL2 fanatics admit that D3 was all about playing in the dark, seems a perfect game to show off lighting if you ask me?
I did, i've completed HL2 three times. It had a reasonable physics engine but everything felt so awkward with it, like it didn't quite fit right. And it's certainly not better than the one in Crysis, it's ridiculous to argue otherwise.
As was HL2. It's just scientists vs government with aliens thrown in. That was a new and good idea with the first game, but the second failed to build on it really.
What, better than "HL2 is universally regarded as one of the best games of all time"? All i've seen so far is mostly people claiming that I must be wrong with very few reasons otherwise.
We're just going around in circles anyway, so this is my last post on the subject, despite the inevitable bait posts that will follow from certain people. I think with some, HL2 is like a religion to them - if you don't believe it then you're wrong. When it comes to this game it's simply taboo to have a negative opinion on it.
If i'd have realised that i'd not have made the comment in the first place.
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Looks like I stirred a debate up 
Doom 3 was a major disappointment because of the legacy of the original two games - not to mention the fact it was nothing like them. It eschewed the one-on-millions gameplay in favour of closet monsters and repetitive corridors. It just wasn't Doom anymore, and in terms of level design and aesthetics it betrayed the real capabilities of iD's genius designers.
The graphics were immense and a work of innovation when you consider that you could have the entire feature-set to work even on GeForce MX440s (nostalgia-rush!) while still retaining some semblance of playability. But we all know that gameplay trumps graphics, and Doom 3 fell far short of what was expected of it.
Half Life 2 metacritic
Doom 3 metacritic
The user reviews show a gulf between the two.
Doom 3 was a major disappointment because of the legacy of the original two games - not to mention the fact it was nothing like them. It eschewed the one-on-millions gameplay in favour of closet monsters and repetitive corridors. It just wasn't Doom anymore, and in terms of level design and aesthetics it betrayed the real capabilities of iD's genius designers.
The graphics were immense and a work of innovation when you consider that you could have the entire feature-set to work even on GeForce MX440s (nostalgia-rush!) while still retaining some semblance of playability. But we all know that gameplay trumps graphics, and Doom 3 fell far short of what was expected of it.
Half Life 2 metacritic
Doom 3 metacritic
The user reviews show a gulf between the two.
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sheesh get over it, doom 3 was far better gaming experience for me than HL2, i was so underwhelmed by half-life series in general, the first, the second and the episodes seemed hugely over-rated, whereas doom 3 was just good, honest murdering, plain and simple 
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half life 1 was a master piece, doom 3 was pretty dreadful, you walk down a corridoor and at nicely spaced out intervals turn around to the alien you know just popped out of a ridiculous closet that it makes no sense it would ever be in. LEts say it was trying to ambush you, not once do they jump out as you go past, they wait, come out slowly making noice to let you know its there, its a contrived and pathetic game idea, yes it looked purdy, no the flashlight swapping didn't feel realistic, its called duct tape, if I was wondering around a place like that I'd tape the torch to the gun, if I didn't have a gun with a flashlight on it in the first place.
Half life 2 was just as contrived, a boringly dull story that was so ridiculously predictable, characters that are apparently likeable and had emotion, because the bird had boobs and that was about it.
The mavity gun was boring, in any other game it would be, I dunno, the basic mining tool that you start the game with that had limits but did its job, till you got the choice of more and more weapons. In HL2, you have the range, a choice, have fun then its all ripped out from you, left with the single choice that is the mavity gun and kill everyone in basically the same way over and over for far to long. Was made far to easy as frankly the mavity gun was ridiculously overpowered, tap it and the guy is down, ooooo, then the same repeating slot bouncy power cell into something to get to the next area mechanic used over, and over, and over and over again.
The episodic content was crap from the time to release to length of playtime added to reusing all the same generic stuff and adding more ridiculously predictable storyline.
HL1 I had no idea what to expect at any stage of the game from start to finish, it was a great story, original, and executed to perfection. HL2 I knew what was about to happen before I did it at every single stage of the game, it wasn't challenging, was predictable, dull, stupid characters, and as said previously, the same orwellian crap that we've had time and time and time again in film, tv and games for decades. It told an old story badly, with nothing out of the ordinary. Throwing a few spikes around with a grav gun doesn't make a game great to me.
Half life 2 was just as contrived, a boringly dull story that was so ridiculously predictable, characters that are apparently likeable and had emotion, because the bird had boobs and that was about it.
The mavity gun was boring, in any other game it would be, I dunno, the basic mining tool that you start the game with that had limits but did its job, till you got the choice of more and more weapons. In HL2, you have the range, a choice, have fun then its all ripped out from you, left with the single choice that is the mavity gun and kill everyone in basically the same way over and over for far to long. Was made far to easy as frankly the mavity gun was ridiculously overpowered, tap it and the guy is down, ooooo, then the same repeating slot bouncy power cell into something to get to the next area mechanic used over, and over, and over and over again.
The episodic content was crap from the time to release to length of playtime added to reusing all the same generic stuff and adding more ridiculously predictable storyline.
HL1 I had no idea what to expect at any stage of the game from start to finish, it was a great story, original, and executed to perfection. HL2 I knew what was about to happen before I did it at every single stage of the game, it wasn't challenging, was predictable, dull, stupid characters, and as said previously, the same orwellian crap that we've had time and time and time again in film, tv and games for decades. It told an old story badly, with nothing out of the ordinary. Throwing a few spikes around with a grav gun doesn't make a game great to me.
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I took the day off work to wait for steam to unlock and to ply for the next 4 hours till i needed a break..... a true development and worth every penny.. IMO
I share the same sentiments here.
I personally think that Half Life was one of the greatest games ever made.
The best first person shooter that has ever and will ever grace our gaming lives.