NASA Finds Missing Moon Landing Tapes!

[KNiVES]

Funny how they find them just in time for the anniversary of the landings? wonder if they have been doctored like some of the earlier photos as well?

Maybe it was discovered as part of a heightened search for any existing footage and documents of the moon landing specifically for the anniversary.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

If it is a hoax why would they give 'us' more detailed pics/video?

To end the speculation once and for all.

There will come a time when it is provable or disprovable.

 

[Werewolf]

how do you lose video of the first every flight to the moon? is it that insignificant? "oh look - a video. I wonder whats on this. Hope its some space prawn."

If they knew the video existed they would have been looking for it.
They would have archived it in the first place.

the most renowned scientific company loses a video? sure.

As has already been said, at the time they didn't have a proper, long term archive - archiving the materials was dealt with as an afterthought, remember the race to the moon wasn't driven by science or logic, but effectively as a willy waving competition between the two major super powers as a way of saying "my ideology is better than yours na na nana nah! *.

Even a well organised archive run by an organisation whose primary concern is archiving/storing materials can and will lose important items from time to time, especially when the item in question may well look almost identical from the outside to hundreds of thousands of other items (IIRC one of the museums recently found an Egg sent back by Darwin in it's collection, an egg they didn't even know they had in the collection).

Creating an index, and keeping it fully up to date is extremely important, and surprisingly hard to do when you've potentially got millions of items, across even just one storage area to track - let alone when you might have multiple sites.
Even using modern computers with everything bar coded and tagged isn't foolproof, let alone doing it on index cards/paper (where if you lose that bit of card, or it's copied incorrectly when it gets tatty effectively loses you the item it referred to).

 

[JRS]

Sorry to burst any bubbles here, but NASA's Public Affairs department have rubbished the article from the Express.

Linky dink.

Ah well. Like Phil Plait says, finding the original HQ tapes wouldn't dispel the Hoax theories anyway, since they have no basis in fact or common sense.

First, conspiracy theories about the Moon landings aren’t based on facts. If they were, the hoax idea would have dried up and blown away 30 years ago. They have no facts. All they have is a zealous fervor and a gross misunderstanding of reality. Finding the tapes won’t help; you could fly a conspiracy theorist to the Moon and show them the equipment lying on the desolate surface, and they’d accuse you of drugging them. My advice: if you try this, leave that goofball on the Moon. That’ll give him plenty of time to think over his ideas.

Second, the use of the word "crucial" made me laugh. I’ve talked with dozens of people at NASA about the Hoax theory, and it’s hardly something that’s critical to them. They all regard it as an irritant, like a tiny pebble in your shoe or a pesky fold in your underwear you can only feel when you sit a certain way. Ignorable, but irksome when you’re reminded about it. And though they’d never admit it, I bet every single person at NASA loves how Buzz handled it.

And third, what the article author forgets is that, to a conspiracy nut, everything in the whole Universe is part of the conspiracy. So the fact that the tapes were missing is evidence of a coverup, and NASA finding the tapes is due to the massive pressure of the hoax community, and if the tapes aren’t exactly as promised that’s because NASA has doctored them, and if they are pristine and perfect then you can look just there and see the wires holding up the astroNOTS, and you still can’t see stars in the footage, and and and.

So, a few weeks before the 40th anniversary of this incredible moment in history, here’s what I think about the Moon Hoaxers: screw them. Let them gripe and moan and try to pee in the punch bowl of NASA. In reality, that punch bowl is way, way over their heads. I can see the magnificent achievement of Apollo for what it was, and I think the vast majority of people out there do as well.

 

[Killerkebab]

I'm with Plait as well, why cheapen the greatest voyage man has accomplished so far?

 

[Fire Wizard]

Fantastic post there JRS.

First, conspiracy theories about the Moon landings aren’t based on facts. If they were, the hoax idea would have dried up and blown away 30 years ago. They have no facts. All they have is a zealous fervor and a gross misunderstanding of reality. Finding the tapes won’t help; you could fly a conspiracy theorist to the Moon and show them the equipment lying on the desolate surface, and they’d accuse you of drugging them. My advice: if you try this, leave that goofball on the Moon. That’ll give him plenty of time to think over his ideas.

Second, the use of the word "crucial" made me laugh. I’ve talked with dozens of people at NASA about the Hoax theory, and it’s hardly something that’s critical to them. They all regard it as an irritant, like a tiny pebble in your shoe or a pesky fold in your underwear you can only feel when you sit a certain way. Ignorable, but irksome when you’re reminded about it. And though they’d never admit it, I bet every single person at NASA loves how Buzz handled it.

And third, what the article author forgets is that, to a conspiracy nut, everything in the whole Universe is part of the conspiracy. So the fact that the tapes were missing is evidence of a coverup, and NASA finding the tapes is due to the massive pressure of the hoax community, and if the tapes aren’t exactly as promised that’s because NASA has doctored them, and if they are pristine and perfect then you can look just there and see the wires holding up the astroNOTS, and you still can’t see stars in the footage, and and and.

So, a few weeks before the 40th anniversary of this incredible moment in history, here’s what I think about the Moon Hoaxers: screw them. Let them gripe and moan and try to pee in the punch bowl of NASA. In reality, that punch bowl is way, way over their heads. I can see the magnificent achievement of Apollo for what it was, and I think the vast majority of people out there do as well.

The parts highlighted in yellow sums up conspiracy theorists perfectly. Unfortunately, this is the way they think so it doesn't matter how much evidence you throw at them, it will never, ever be good enough.

 

[Metalface Mark]

It's a shame really, maybe if they had looked after this data properly a lot of these conspiracy theories wouldn't have happened. (Well probably not but it may have lessened the impact, people are always going to believe what they want )

As I said earlier, there is already loads of lunar videos from the other missions (14-17, Al Bean broke the video on 12 by exposing it to the sun).

for example. These are all cleaned up and look very good on the various DVD's that are available.

 

[checjb]

(14-17, Al Bean broke the video on 12 by exposing it to the sun).

OMG!!!! It is blatantly obvious that he did that to hide the evidence of the super secret alien base/mothership/American diner constructed by aliens. How can you all be so blind?!

Oh, and the CIA, MI7, Bilderburg group, the WI & Fowlmere Primary School PTA all know and are helping to surpress THE TRUTH!

/Teki (or Magick) mode

 

[Makunouchi]

Haha, I've never seen that video of Buzz Aldrin punching that guy before, excellent, I'd have done the same - risking your life in the name of furthering Humanity and some twerp calls you a coward for it!?!

Conspiracy theorists are generally people with over-inflated egos, the fact that 'the man' is trying to 'put one over on them' makes them feel special and the centre of this unreal attention. Psychological imbalance, nothing more (well, maybe some idiocy thrown in ).

 

[Orcish-Horde]

Here is my conspiracy... They didn't lose the tapes, rather they hid them so that joe public didn't cop onto the fact that the moon has very little to offer mankind. The achievement of leaving earth for another ball of rock being its main use.

 

[Housey]

I was the camerman on this, it was shot in a parking lot in Cannock and is made up.

 

[Glaucus]

We will find out if the Moon landings were a hoax I expect.

Despite having all the evidence we need ala a series of specialised mirrors.

how do you lose video of the first every flight to the moon? is it that insignificant? "oh look - a video. I wonder whats on this. Hope its some space prawn."

If they knew the video existed they would have been looking for it.
They would have archived it in the first place.

the most renowned scientific company loses a video? sure.

You have any odea how big these warehouses are, how many items there are, every single compnay losses items. it's not hard and it's very easy to do.

 

[RichieM]

some people obviously havent seen the Mythbusters Moon Landing Special
Every conspiracy theory *Busted*

Pity about the lost film mind.

 

[Glaucus]

some people obviously havent seen the .

at the end of the day conspiracy theorists are mental and deranged and have no concept of logic or weight of evidence.

 

[Marky]

Should be interesting - Hopefully it's enough proof to send the "Moon Landing was faked" stories to sleep

 

[Heliospherez]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8131658.stm

"This month marks the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 Moon landing. LRO will start flying over the Apollo landing sites in mid-July.

However, the spacecraft will still be in its checkout phase at this time. If LRO does manage to take images of any Apollo sites in July, the pictures will not be at the best possible resolution.

When the orbiter flies over the Apollo 11 site it is likely to be at an altitude of 100km - allowing the camera to capture images at a resolution of 100cm per pixel"

1m per pixel - that's going to be a lot of good

 

["andy"]

if it was a hoax im sure the russians would have had lots to say about it ??? they didnt though because they knew it was possible

as someone whos worked in tiny stores the story about how the stuff was lost makes perfect sense.

 

[JRS]

Should be interesting - Hopefully it's enough proof to send the "Moon Landing was faked" stories to sleep

It never can. As Phil Plait said, you could fly a Hoax Believer to the Moon, show them the landing site and the footprints and they still wouldn't believe it. Their brains are just wired up strange.

1m per pixel - that's going to be a lot of good

Why the hell should NASA spend the kind of money needed to photograph the Apollo landing sites from lunar orbit altitude just to satisfy a bunch of moronic ****s who want to believe that one of mankind's greatest achievements didn't happen?

if it was a hoax im sure the russians would have had lots to say about it ??? they didnt though because they knew it was possible

Quite. Had Korolev's N1 rocket worked at all, the Russians probably would have made a play for a lunar landing. Given that it failed every time they tried to launch one, they had to concentrate on Earth-orbit missions. Which meant space stations, hence Mir.

as someone whos worked in tiny stores the story about how the stuff was lost makes perfect sense.

 

[Tefal]

1m per pixel - that's going to be a lot of good

it's good for scientific use. no point wasting money on photographing the site when the CT's will just say "zomg photoshop!!!!11!"

I don't think NASA really give a flaying monkeys what ct's say though.

 

[Inazuma]

It seems very strange to me that they'd "lose" these tapes in the first place, and that it's "amazingly clear" footage.
I am looking forward to seeing them, but I hope they don't underdeliver.