No wonder it's so easy to get fat these days

Shicky said:
Im sure many do but that doesn't necessarily make them right. Any decent professional trainer would not recommend this to his clients as although the figures 'look good' to the client, its not actually doing them a great deal of good in the long run.
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There are plenty of trainers out there who would recommend keto, infact keto is recommended for kids with epilepsy as well as people wanting to cut

where is the evidence is doesn't do any good?
 
I try and get a higher ratio of protein to carbs but that's just me. And you're right going by the scales achieves nothing - it's about how you look, but also what blood tests tell you, and the visceral fat test that truly tell how you go. I'm hovering around 100kg but I've got pretty low fat yet that's considered heavy - though I'm not you're "average" guy, you still have to remember to put into context and a relational way.
 
Voltar said:
I've not finished reading the entire thread yet so there may be a ninja edit coming up. However this post had me bemused.

10,000 steps per day you say? So (bear with me) 10,000 paces per day?
That is an awfully long way don't you think? At an estimate that means that our Red friends recommend I walk around 9km per day :o

I have made this figure by doing a simple experiment: if it's 10,000 paces and each of my paces is three feet (the experiment was how I measured my pace)= 30,000 feet.


That's a LOT of distance to cover.
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it is a lot to cover but it's what's recommended to stay healthy, much like the 5 a day (which i find extremely hard to do and bloody expensive as well.)



Voltar said:
On topic:

The day's calorie allowance however has a flaw or two:

1. If Raymond, for example, is 4 feet and 11 inches tall and of normal build, he is recommended a maximum of 2.5k calories per day.
I am 6 feet and 5 inches and of large build, yet they say I should eat the same as Raymond.
Is there any logic behind that whatsoever? Surely a bigger man needs more to eat, by the simple logic that he is larger and requires more energy to fuel his larger system?

2. If Raymond has just turned 18, he is a man, and is recommended 2.5k calories per day.
Raymond's grandpa has just turned 100, he is a man, and is also recommended 2.5k calories per day (the same amount as his grandson).
Surely an 18 year old's body requires a larger energy intake than that of a 100 year old man?

I think that calorie counting is balls frankly! My friend does this (not dieting) and I inwardly do a little facepalm when she says the number of calories in a foodstuff that one would avoid if trying to better one's eating patterns.
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again it's worked out on averages, i believe it's for a 5'10" 180lb 20 year old (or something like that) that the 2500 calorie (maximum) is recommended
 
JBuk said:
There are plenty of trainers out there who would recommend keto, infact keto is recommended for kids with epilepsy as well as people wanting to cut

where is the evidence is doesn't do any good?
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Short term it's not a problem, but it's effectively shocking your body into changing it's state hence the dramatic and effective fat loss - however these shock treatments are stressful to the body. Done once or twice is probably ok, however people who constantly put their body through this strain is probably not doing it much good.

Bear in mind we live in a society where our bodies have adapted the use of plenty of carbs - had our bodies or our culture been brought up with a more protein rich diet it wouldn't be so much of an issue.
 
Freefaller said:
Short term it's not a problem, but it's effectively shocking your body into changing it's state hence the dramatic and effective fat loss - however these shock treatments are stressful to the body. Done once or twice is probably ok, however people who constantly put their body through this strain is probably not doing it much good.

Bear in mind we live in a society where our bodies have adapted the use of plenty of carbs - had our bodies or our culture been brought up with a more protein rich diet it wouldn't be so much of an issue.
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Any links to show evidence of this? I'm curious


Have our bodies really adapted to the use of carbs? I have read conflicting reports that our bodies haven't adapted much for many thousands of years
 
JBuk said:
Any links to show evidence of this? I'm curious


Have our bodies really adapted to the use of carbs? I have read conflicting reports that our bodies haven't adapted much for many thousands of years
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Note that in my previous post I said DECENT trainers, crap ones will do anything to get the scales moving so you think its working and fork over more money.

Wheres your evidence that using this method is beneficial in the long run? Bearing in mind I mean outside of wikipedia. Im judging from my experiences and from the experiences of others I consider experienced trainers, whose opinions I value.

I may be wrong but im pretty sure what FreeFaller is getting at is that most of the general population eat a diet laden with carbs, therefore their body begins to crave and need carbs to function normally. But yes you're right, the human body hasn't yet adapted to be able to process tons of carbs, this is why those eating this way get fat.
 
More through casual reading of medical research/journals and nutritional experts - it's easy enough to see though, if you look back a few thousand years our diets were rich in fish and lean meats, bread was unleavened, though of course we ate potatoes and similar root veggies, but a lot of the common carbs nowdays contain a lot of poor quality flours, additives and unnecessarily spike your insulin levels owing to their rich and simple nature (i.e. body metabolises them readily). We've moved from a more complex carb route to far simpler carbs - this is the biggest problem we face.

Thing is let's just look at it now simply.

Fizzy drinks/coke (contains sugars = simple carbs)
Cakes
White pasta
White rice
White bread (with poor flour and all sorts of additives)
Biscuits
Crisps
Chips
Sweets
Chocolate (used to be a luxury item - but now hardly contains any cacao anyway)
Milk
Most packaged cereals
Jams
Honey
Yoghurts
Baked Goods
Fruit juices
etc...

Just looking at that list it's easy to see how much of it is part of our diets now days (well most of us ;)).

It's just because of simple mass production and ease of manufacture and demand for such foods.

It's easy to break free from this and keep simple carbs to a minimum (they aren't all evil, but they're just not as good as other forms)
 
Shicky said:
I may be wrong but im pretty sure what FreeFaller is getting at is that most of the general population eat a diet laden with carbs, therefore their body begins to crave and need carbs to function normally. But yes you're right, the human body hasn't yet adapted to be able to process tons of carbs, this is why those eating this way get fat.
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Spot on.
 
Shicky said:
Note that in my previous post I said DECENT trainers, crap ones will do anything to get the scales moving so you think its working and fork over more money.

Wheres your evidence that using this method is beneficial in the long run? Bearing in mind I mean outside of wikipedia. Im judging from my experiences and from the experiences of others I consider experienced trainers, whose opinions I value.

I may be wrong but im pretty sure what FreeFaller is getting at is that most of the general population eat a diet laden with carbs, therefore their body begins to crave and need carbs to function normally. But yes you're right, the human body hasn't yet adapted to be able to process tons of carbs, this is why those eating this way get fat.
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I don't have evidence, but you're the one claiming it to be unhealthy , I haven't read anything to prove or disprove that keto is bad for the body so I just think it's unfair to brand it so.

Apart from what Freefaller mentioned about stress on the body due to a rapid change in diet (although I have seen nothing to show this actually affects long term health) I can't see how keto would be bad unless you're eating the wrong fats, etc
 
I've quickly come to the conclusion that I eat far more calories than 2500 per day. Not sure why I'm not fat
 
jakeke said:
I've quickly come to the conclusion that I eat far more calories than 2500 per day. Not sure why I'm not fat
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If you have a larger build, a more active lifestyle, or just a high metabolism, you could manage more than 2,500.

It's just an average guideline.
 
Ready meals are evil. As is most packaged food.

I lost 2 stone for the wedding by having smaller meals, making my own food (where possible) and going running every other day.

Don't rely on the calorie count as gospel. You'll go mad and end up starving yourself :(
 
JBuk said:
I don't have evidence, but you're the one claiming it to be unhealthy , I haven't read anything to prove or disprove that keto is bad for the body so I just think it's unfair to brand it so.

Apart from what Freefaller mentioned about stress on the body due to a rapid change in diet (although I have seen nothing to show this actually affects long term health) I can't see how keto would be bad unless you're eating the wrong fats, etc
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Something doesn't need clear evidence to be unhealthy, just use logic. You're putting your body into an extreme phase of dieting, im not 100% sure but don't you need to limit your carbs to under a certain figure, say 40g? Therefore depriving your body of decent fruit and veg. Of course pushing your body to lose weight by starving it is going to have consequences, your body is going to eat ANYTHING it can to survive, fat isnt always readily available, muscle etc will be eaten too.

Steriods haven't undergone any studies on long term health, contrary to popular opinion deaths that have been attributed to steriod use are way behind tons of stupid things such as falling down the stairs. But let me guess, you think steriods are terrible for your health and brings about roid rage etc etc?

*Im not condoning steriod use or even use it myself, im simply illustrating the point that just because a study doesn't exist to prove otherwise, it doesn't mean something's healthy.
 
What I find funny is like a woman at work doing this Special K Challenge. Where you have a bowl for breakfast, a bowl for lunch and a healthy dinner and lose a dress size in 2 weeks.

She is eating one bow for breakfast and lunch…except she has a cheese toastie after breakfast and she has crab sticks with her lunch…..plus, her portion size in the cereal is much higher than the packet’s “per serving”.

The woman also likes a drink, so I can see that next week I will hear no end of how this Special K diet don’t work at all.
 
Shicky said:
Something doesn't need clear evidence to be unhealthy, just use logic. You're putting your body into an extreme phase of dieting, im not 100% sure but don't you need to limit your carbs to under a certain figure, say 40g? Therefore depriving your body of decent fruit and veg. Of course pushing your body to lose weight by starving it is going to have consequences, your body is going to eat ANYTHING it can to survive, fat isnt always readily available, muscle etc will be eaten too.

Steriods haven't undergone any studies on long term health, contrary to popular opinion deaths that have been attributed to steriod use are way behind tons of stupid things such as falling down the stairs. But let me guess, you think steriods are terrible for your health and brings about roid rage etc etc?

*Im not condoning steriod use or even use it myself, im simply illustrating the point that just because a study doesn't exist to prove otherwise, it doesn't mean something's healthy.
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The keto diet isn't about starving the body, infact you can gain weight using keto just as easy as lose it, I think your above post shows some ignornace about the diet

It's about switching the body to using fat as it's main energy source which is achievable by eating a ratio of protein/fat/carb

Keto is also not a "rapid" weight loss diet, just like any diet it depends on the amount of calorie intake, the first week or two *will* see a lot of weight lost but this is water weight that has been retained in the body.

Please have a good read up on keto before being so quick to dismiss it :)
 
I agree keto is very good at what it does, but not something to sustain indefinitely - though it usually promotes a healthy lifestyle change with fewer carbs in it on the long term anyway. Most people who train to a relatively high level tend to hit the early onsets of keto over night anyway - I know I do, and have measured myself to confirm it. Ok so I'm not in a keto-state but overnight and by the morning I do hit a big dip - which I could carry on holding but I prefer a balanced diet. :)
 
Lysander said:
It can depend on how tall you are, how active you are and on the fat content of what you're eating.
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I'm 6'2" and not particularly active, in fact, I screwed up my ankle ligaments and haven't done any excercise for 5 months and I think I may have even lost weight over the last few months.
 
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