Nissan GTR vs Bike

Flukester · 8 Jul 2009 at 15:38

Sorry if this is a repost but I think this sums up nicely how (super)cars and superbikes differ...I think you can call a GTR a supercar around a circuit like this.

I remember these guys doing a Caterham R500 vs a Hypermotard, but this is a whole lot more serious..

Hats off to Ducati pilot for doing as well he did :eek:

, BHP per ton aint everything

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Money to Kicks ratio of GTR is woefully lacking though

MrMoonX · 8 Jul 2009 at 16:42

saw an 09 GTR parked up in guildford yesterday, i really really want

St0rmer66 · 8 Jul 2009 at 17:13

I don't understand how 833bhp/tonne is "nearly" 1000bhp/tonne, also not taking into account the riders weight which has a much bigger effect on the bhp/tonne than in a car.. Also not the fastest superbike you can buy (by a fair margin), it's not even the fastest Ducati. Still... there is no replacement for the huge grip of a car compared to a bike on a windy track. The GTR is damned good. Shame it still costs about 3-4 times as much though

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Booner! · 8 Jul 2009 at 17:17

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfy1VO4ePlA&feature=fvst

That's the old one, looks like a lot of fun in that Caterham....lots of air at one point

Django x2 · 8 Jul 2009 at 17:24

Yay, another real world useful video :rolleyes:

Fact is, cars will always be quicker than bikes given real world variables. You don't have to take 20 minutes dressing up like a power ranger for one and you dont have to stop every 150 miles to fill up.

Flukester · 8 Jul 2009 at 17:35

Lucero said:
Yay, another real world useful video

Fact is, cars will always be quicker than bikes given real world variables. You don't have to take 20 minutes dressing up like a power ranger for one and you dont have to stop every 150 miles to fill up.

very true, not really stating otherwise... it's a circuit, you can't exploit any fast vehicle on the road fully so the circuit is best place to find out strengths and weakness... so thanks for the rolleyes captain obvious

. was a interesting video imo

though fact is also, majority of bikes are faster EVERYWHERE than the majority of cars, thats just down to pure cost though in making a truly fast car. the gtr is exceptional on the twisties ?

to make a truly fast bike you just stick some wheels on an average small engine and add a pilot with balls of steel.

isset · 8 Jul 2009 at 17:38

Lucero said:
you dont have to stop every 150 miles to fill up.

I wish i got 150

Flukester · 8 Jul 2009 at 17:40

isset said:
I wish i got 150

only 75 here if gunning it, but I could stop, fill up, have cup of tea and a burger and still get to where I'm going quicker

Fireskull · 8 Jul 2009 at 17:58

Good vid

a better bike would have brought it closer but thats not the point lol, a track like that a car will be quicker.

I will test my fuel consumption on track soon as recently I am getting at least 150 to a tank and thats with the odd blast, will be interesting to know the distance with 1,2,3,4 being ragged out

jon.bda · 8 Jul 2009 at 18:13

should have done it at Snetterton, i reckon the bike would have it

, and bring an R1 or a 'blade instead.

Dureth · 8 Jul 2009 at 18:47

Plus that guy was "only" getting 1min 44s lap times on 150bhp Ducati with full brmbo monoblock calipers and ohlins suspension. For comparison the lap record on a 72bhp Suzuki SV650 minitwin is 1min 39s at a club racing level.

Demon · 8 Jul 2009 at 20:11

Be nice to have seen a drier track, but who cares, I think this shows the strengths/weaknesses of cars/bikes, it's 10 times harder to ride a bike on the limit then a car, and for the money (£3.5K would get a mint 1000cc mentalist machine) there is little point in arguing..

atpbx · 8 Jul 2009 at 21:24

On a main road,or around town, or even on the majority of B roads, there is nowhere a car is faster than a Bike.

Even with the whole 76BHP my air cooled Z-7 commuter chucks out, with its dodgy steel cradle frame and upright riding position, it will still do 0-60 in under 4 seconds, a standing quarter in 12.4 seconds, and top out at 130mph.

So unless you are driving something seriously expensive, good luck with keeping up with anything other than the most basic of bikes.

helpimcrap · 8 Jul 2009 at 22:00

Dureth said:
Plus that guy was "only" getting 1min 44s lap times on 150bhp Ducati with full brmbo monoblock calipers and ohlins suspension. For comparison the lap record on a 72bhp Suzuki SV650 minitwin is 1min 39s at a club racing level.

1:39 is slow by club standards, i seem to remember lapping on a 600 in 1:31/1:32 a few years ago on a stock 600. also it's a 10k (max new) bike v a £60k+ car second hand(? - i seem to remember stupid 2nd hand prices for one). for a true comparison you'd be better off pitching a BSB bike v the GTR. 210bhp+50kg lighter? i know which one i'd have.

Fido McNasty · 8 Jul 2009 at 22:43

Honestly there's nothing new to me here and by that I am not meaning to be disrespectful or arrogant. On a winding road, a half decent handling car will travel more efficiently than almost any bike. Unofficially I have proven this on occasion with an 1983 A reg e28 BMW 520i vs an FZ750 yam, and some years before a 1984 Toyota Supra 2.8 vs an RGV 250.
No you are not going to get details as to what road or where though.

Plus, tbh I am too old to be bothered by it all now. Save it for the track like these guys have. Cadwell is fantastic

Fett · 8 Jul 2009 at 22:50

atpbx said:
On a main road,or around town, or even on the majority of B roads, there is nowhere a car is faster than a Bike.

Even with the whole 76BHP my air cooled Z-7 commuter chucks out, with its dodgy steel cradle frame and upright riding position, it will still do 0-60 in under 4 seconds, a standing quarter in 12.4 seconds, and top out at 130mph.

So unless you are driving something seriously expensive, good luck with keeping up with anything other than the most basic of bikes.

Right-o.

PardonTheWait · 8 Jul 2009 at 23:46

Fett said:
Right-o.

He's right.

Bikes are quicker on straights

A decentish car will be quicker in the twisties

But you WILL get where you're going quicker on a bike. You just will. There's enough straight bits on any given bit of road to offset it in the bike's favour, add in the ability to filter, jump queues, and so on and it's pretty much fact.

On the track it's different, but if you and I set off from point A and travelled to point B I'd beat you, and I'm a mediocre rider at best.

Fido McNasty · 9 Jul 2009 at 00:45

PardonTheWait said:
He's right.

I do agree on that. I've ridden enough years in the past to know where it's at, in that respect. The delineation being made here was no traffic ques, junctions or general road rules. Pure performance alone. Just your basic windy bits and occasional straights round Cadwell. I think it's fair to say that your bike, just like the Duke did out of the corner later on in the vid will basically annhialate anything on four or more wheels on the road in everyday conditions even with all the speed limits and what not becausae it simply gets there much much more quickly.

Fett · 9 Jul 2009 at 00:58

St0rmer66 said:
I don't understand how 833bhp/tonne is "nearly" 1000bhp/tonne, also not taking into account the riders weight which has a much bigger effect on the bhp/tonne than in a car.. Also not the fastest superbike you can buy (by a fair margin), it's not even the fastest Ducati. Still... there is no replacement for the huge grip of a car compared to a bike on a windy track. The GTR is damned good. Shame it still costs about 3-4 times as much though .

Could be wrong, but a quick google has the 1098s at 950bhp/tonne. Car power to weight ratios don't involve the drivers weight so seems a fair comparison to me. You could melt Beth Ditto onto the pillion seat and the Ducati would still have a ptw ratio that would make most car owners drool.

The Ducati may not be the fastest superbike you can buy, the same applies to the GT-R.

I don't think cost is a major factor in this comparison. This is two wheels vs. four.

Other than that, I agree

Dureth said:
Plus that guy was "only" getting 1min 44s lap times on 150bhp Ducati with full brmbo monoblock calipers and ohlins suspension. For comparison the lap record on a 72bhp Suzuki SV650 minitwin is 1min 39s at a club racing level.

Had to google him. Rob Hoyles seems to be more than fair opposition to Sutters. As far as lap records, different day and conditions I would have thought plus modifications to the Suzuki.

helpimcrap said:
1:39 is slow by club standards, i seem to remember lapping on a 600 in 1:31/1:32 a few years ago on a stock 600. also it's a 10k (max new) bike v a £60k+ car second hand(? - i seem to remember stupid 2nd hand prices for one). for a true comparison you'd be better off pitching a BSB bike v the GTR. 210bhp+50kg lighter? i know which one i'd have.

Lap record for a streetstock 600 is 1:34, although oddly, not a stock bike.

1098s was £14,000, GT-R is £56,800 base, brand new. I don't see how pitching a BSB race bike against a stock GT-R is a true comparison. Take the comparison in context for prices...Ducati is a high-end, very expensive motorcycle. The GT-R is a moderately priced car, cheap as chips in fact compared to its competition, so if anything, the comparison favours the Ducati. It's a road-legal, lightened, focused racebike...a GT3 RS on two wheels. The GT-R is a fat 2+2 that is pretty well loaded.

PardonTheWait said:
He's right.

Bikes are quicker on straights

A decentish car will be quicker in the twisties

But you WILL get where you're going quicker on a bike. You just will. There's enough straight bits on any given bit of road to offset it in the bike's favour, add in the ability to filter, jump queues, and so on and it's pretty much fact.

On the track it's different, but if you and I set off from point A and travelled to point B I'd beat you, and I'm a mediocre rider at best.

I'm not sure why some bikers think some car drivers have no experience on bikes or don't have mates with bikes.

I would never argue with the overall point to point advantage a bike has, for the very reasons you mention. But the post I was responding to was the one with all the stats that indicate a bike would be quicker everywhere unless you are spending silly money. The GT-R is faster in relation to those stats and is not silly money so "there is nowhere a car is faster than a Bike" does not really hold true. Especially given our weather.

As far as you being faster from A to B, well, probably. Depends though. From Southampton to Covent Garden I wouldn't stand a chance. From grid to grid on the Horseshoe Pass, could be a different story.

PardonTheWait · 9 Jul 2009 at 01:23

I don't think bikes are quicker everywhere, not at all. Very twisty bits of roads, and tracks, they're not, but 99% of real life situations, they are. That's why you don't get car couriers. Given enough corners a proper pony car will beat a pretty ****-hot bike, and a 1.2 corsa will get round a roundabout quicker than me easy if it's half-damp!

But all in all, if you want to get from 'here' to 'there', there's a VERY good chance a bike will spank a car. Like I said, on a track it's a different story and I won't pretend otherwise.