The problem I have is that the PC versions of many franchises which have been taken to consoles have suffered, because they're given the least attention. Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon are both pretty good examples, they started life as realistic, tactical FPS games and now they're essentially just run-and-gun console shooters like everything else. It's a tragedy really, the proper R6 games were excellent.
A question to pc gamers
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I don't believe that to be true. How many people do you know that have pirated software for the Xbox360? I know none. There are ways to do it and I'm sure people do pirate games for the 360, but it's very rare in comparison to the PC market. How many people do you know that have pirated software for the PC? Embarassingly I for one will own up to having a pirated version of a game, I have since purchased the game, but still.
I think if you do some research you'll find that piracy in PC games is not just an excuse, but a real issue.
Back to the original question though, I dont think anyone thinks developers should make PC exclusive games. There will be games which are exclusive to the PC but that will be because it can't be ported, or will be too different from the PC version. eg WoW, Starcraft 2, Diablo. Damn these are all Blizzard games lol.
The PC gaming market is just getting smaller. Where as the console market is massive and very easy to market their games. If you have a 360 console, any 360 game will work. This isnt the case with PCs.
In regards to chipped consoles, its a fraction compared to all the people who buy legit games. Compared to PC piracy, its not even a scratch.
The PC gaming market is just getting smaller. Where as the console market is massive and very easy to market their games. If you have a 360 console, any 360 game will work. This isnt the case with PCs.
In regards to chipped consoles, its a fraction compared to all the people who buy legit games. Compared to PC piracy, its not even a scratch.
Very true.
I don't think there should be exclusives to force people into PC gaming or vice versa beyond practicality.
All games within reason should be available for the platform of your choice.
Its because of exclusives why i have been forced to have every console when i prefer just to have the PC.
All games within reason should be available for the platform of your choice.
Its because of exclusives why i have been forced to have every console when i prefer just to have the PC.
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casual gaming is on the rise but thats a completely different matter.
i dont know whats wrong with your PC but i've never had any game that didnt work on mine. Btw, according to the PCGA the pc market dwarfs the console market. Dont let hype and marketing blind you.
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i belive that because consoles are much bigger these days multi platform games perform bad on the PC
as they have been created to max out/play well on consoles where as the PC could handle more features etc
but there not being added so that all versions remain equal which really is just hurting the PC gaming
as they have been created to max out/play well on consoles where as the PC could handle more features etc
but there not being added so that all versions remain equal which really is just hurting the PC gaming
There are many good multi platform games that run very well on the PC & in fact better & with better gfx.
Its not all one sided as you make out.
I'm not sure what the aim of this topic really is. You've already made the statement in your OP and anyone who disagrees with you, well there's no point as you just don't listen.
I, for one, think there are a lot of PC exclusives (okay they're mainly MMO's - such as LoTRO, Eve, Asherons Call, WoW (ignoring the Mac version), DAoC, etc.) Quite a lot of games out there are pretty much PC friendly - I would never for example try and play C&C on a console.
The PC is vastly superior to the consoles. Simply as soon as the console is built and released it's out of date because hardware has moved on.
Piracy is a problem but anyone who thinks this only affects PC platform is seriously mis-informed.
The only reason why games perform badly on PC's is because they are a rubbish console port (take GTA4 for example) if you look at games developed on PC's they all work wonderfully (if you have a decent enough spec PC) if they are rushed consoel ports then they work and that's about it.
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I, for one, think there are a lot of PC exclusives (okay they're mainly MMO's - such as LoTRO, Eve, Asherons Call, WoW (ignoring the Mac version), DAoC, etc.) Quite a lot of games out there are pretty much PC friendly - I would never for example try and play C&C on a console.
The PC is vastly superior to the consoles. Simply as soon as the console is built and released it's out of date because hardware has moved on.
Piracy is a problem but anyone who thinks this only affects PC platform is seriously mis-informed.
The only reason why games perform badly on PC's is because they are a rubbish console port (take GTA4 for example) if you look at games developed on PC's they all work wonderfully (if you have a decent enough spec PC) if they are rushed consoel ports then they work and that's about it.
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It's not a different matter; you asked why people might want PC exclusives, I've offered a reason.
Another good point is that people are fed up upgrading pc's all the time.
You can get an xbox 360 for £97 these days and the games hold their value more than pc games for resale or exchange mainly because there isn't a use once cd key for multiplayer.
You can get an xbox 360 for £97 these days and the games hold their value more than pc games for resale or exchange mainly because there isn't a use once cd key for multiplayer.
You don't have to upgrade your PC.
If people are happy with the lack of AA/AF with an avg 30fps at 720p then even a 1900xtx is more than enough.
Resale value has never entered my mind, i give my console games away after im done.
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Absolutely, developers should develops games exclusively for the PC. There are many reasons.
Here are some:
Some games only work with mouse and keyboard e.g. precision shooters and strategy games. Trial and error of such genres on consoles have not changed this. Being able to plug a mouse and keyboard into your 360 doesn't change the fact that the game must be adapted to the gamepad for Microsoft to allow it to be released.
Lack of technical or financial barriers to entry for PC games. PC is the easiest platform for people to start their development careers (start ups are rarely cross platform). No royalties, great modding community and a massive indie crowd all make the PC easier to start on than the PS3. Like the economic argument of 'company creation vs company attraction'. PC is where studios are often created, Sony and Nintendo have to attract them over to their side.
Flexibility of the PC as a platform. Ask yourself this why didn't Battlefield Heroes come out on the 360 first. It would make more money but has the 360 the technical infrastructure to allow such games. There would be at some level some engagement with Microsoft.
No middle man, Valve have learned that producers are no good for developers or gamers. Developers can give games to gamers better, faster and cheaper. Retail games that lack third party are rare on consoles.
Longevity of games. PC will always be around. How many people still play the old Counter Strike? Same is not true for consoles. Ask any Sega gamers. If a developer wants to develop a game for the long term PC is the platform to do it on.
Here are some:
Some games only work with mouse and keyboard e.g. precision shooters and strategy games. Trial and error of such genres on consoles have not changed this. Being able to plug a mouse and keyboard into your 360 doesn't change the fact that the game must be adapted to the gamepad for Microsoft to allow it to be released.
Lack of technical or financial barriers to entry for PC games. PC is the easiest platform for people to start their development careers (start ups are rarely cross platform). No royalties, great modding community and a massive indie crowd all make the PC easier to start on than the PS3. Like the economic argument of 'company creation vs company attraction'. PC is where studios are often created, Sony and Nintendo have to attract them over to their side.
Flexibility of the PC as a platform. Ask yourself this why didn't Battlefield Heroes come out on the 360 first. It would make more money but has the 360 the technical infrastructure to allow such games. There would be at some level some engagement with Microsoft.
No middle man, Valve have learned that producers are no good for developers or gamers. Developers can give games to gamers better, faster and cheaper. Retail games that lack third party are rare on consoles.
Longevity of games. PC will always be around. How many people still play the old Counter Strike? Same is not true for consoles. Ask any Sega gamers. If a developer wants to develop a game for the long term PC is the platform to do it on.
Simple fact is that anyone can use a console.
A 10 year old would have been brought up on a console for gaming & the family purple PC with its IGP which is used for the web,email ect...
And that's what they have become accustom to & that's all they'd have ever seen. Moving from a PS2/xbox to a PS3/360 would seem like a real wow factor to them.
PC does not need exclusives it needs its gaming strengths pushed which does not happen as the PC has no exclusive owner.
You see games console hooked up to HD TVs with games running in stores, when was the last time you seen a PCs in stores hooked up & running games.
A 10 year old would have been brought up on a console for gaming & the family purple PC with its IGP which is used for the web,email ect...
And that's what they have become accustom to & that's all they'd have ever seen. Moving from a PS2/xbox to a PS3/360 would seem like a real wow factor to them.
PC does not need exclusives it needs its gaming strengths pushed which does not happen as the PC has no exclusive owner.
You see games console hooked up to HD TVs with games running in stores, when was the last time you seen a PCs in stores hooked up & running games.
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Wow. So many defensive people in the PC forum.
I have a gaming PC and a PS3. My flatmate has a 360. I hardly ever use my PC for gaming now, My last 12 games have all been for the PS3/360.
I still use my PC to game but very rarely now. I just find consoles have better games (or they have earlier releases than PC). Plus, most of my friends have consoles so its more fun.
I have a gaming PC and a PS3. My flatmate has a 360. I hardly ever use my PC for gaming now, My last 12 games have all been for the PS3/360.
I still use my PC to game but very rarely now. I just find consoles have better games (or they have earlier releases than PC). Plus, most of my friends have consoles so its more fun.
Its nothing to do with defensive.
We are discussing reasons to why things are like they are on the PC platform.
You prefer consoles i prefer PC, even tho i own all the consoles besides the wii.
Often games developed for multiplatforms feel that they have been developed specifically for consoles whereas pc exclusives feel as though they have been designed specifically for the pc. I think it's this concern that makes people want more pc exclusives but maybe i'm wrong.
Personally I don't mind games that are developed for multiplatform but they need to be better on the pc and feel like they were made for the pc. For example when everybody heard that crysis 2 was coming out for consoles they all just jumped to conclusions that it was going to be a crappy console port but I don't feel it will. Crytek for one are a very pc focused company and I feel the game will be developed with pc gamers in mind and 'ported' to the consoles (feel free to laugh in my face if it's not
). They will make more money by selling it on all platforms which will mean they can spend more money on making 'killer quality games'
Personally I don't mind games that are developed for multiplatform but they need to be better on the pc and feel like they were made for the pc. For example when everybody heard that crysis 2 was coming out for consoles they all just jumped to conclusions that it was going to be a crappy console port but I don't feel it will. Crytek for one are a very pc focused company and I feel the game will be developed with pc gamers in mind and 'ported' to the consoles (feel free to laugh in my face if it's not
). They will make more money by selling it on all platforms which will mean they can spend more money on making 'killer quality games' 
PC gamers don't? you have gotten the wrong end of the stick on the argument of console vs PC here.
PC gamers don't like games being poorly ported, resulting in clunky UI, poor performance, bugs. Another increasing factor in this is console generations becoming a limiter in the advancement of graphical quality in games, top end PC hardware is increasingly going to waste beyond giving more stable FPS to games that look very much the same for years on end. (GoW / CoD MW)
But this being the generation of multi platform games?.. multi platform gaming has been big for a very long time now, what has happened is very popular previously PC-only franchises that previously were a bit under-represented on consoles (FPS games) have taken off in a big way.
Game engines as they are now this leaves developers having to essentially make the same game several times over for each platform however, which is where big problems start to arise... even this is something that already is about to become a thing of the past with engines like Tech5, it is of no doubt that any future engines will almost certainly have a core feature of being able to render on any platform without any change to code or assets.
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