If the charges aren't dropped....

Geckovich · 13 Jul 2009 at 01:57

[Cas];14466331 said:
Yet most of the people to have come from the time when this "Ironfist" approach was in force, are now the parents of the people that are supposedly causing all the problems, or Grandparents. If that approach worked so well, why are there so many shoddy parents in that bracket?

This is something I've always wondered too.

I also have very mixed feelings about this. Kid being a little ****/teacher being way over the line etc.

All I will say is:

Respect is an overused word. The bigger issue seems to be this false sense of entitlement younger people seem to have nowadays, both material and philosophical.

Just because phones, computers, games consoles, TVs, laptops, designer clothes, mp3 players and the like exist, it doesn't instantly entitle you to one.

Just because you're 15 and have rights it doesn't mean you have the same rights as an adult. You're less experienced, have less hindsight, are probably less intelligent, contribute less to society etc.

Those points aren't really related to the issues at hand but news stories like this always bring them to my mind.

thehitmen · 13 Jul 2009 at 02:03

[Cas];14466348 said:
What does the hair say, exactly? I apologise, my hair-psychology skills seem to be a tad inferior to yours at this time.

Caseh · 13 Jul 2009 at 02:05

Could you explain in words please? Like i said, my hair psychology appears to be inferior to yours.

thehitmen · 13 Jul 2009 at 02:13

You clearly must live in the country

Caseh · 13 Jul 2009 at 02:16

I'm pretty certain my location states Sheffield. Now, an explanation in words, please?

Geckovich · 13 Jul 2009 at 02:17

thehitmen said:
You clearly must live in the country

I live in central Nottingham, not the country, but also fail to see what the bad hair style has to do with anything.

thehitmen · 13 Jul 2009 at 02:17

/chav

the hairstyle of a chav

Caseh · 13 Jul 2009 at 02:20

wow. Chav's even have their own hairstyles now? So because i have a shaved head, does it mean im a racist "skinhead", or that i decided to get my hair shaved?

thehitmen · 13 Jul 2009 at 02:22

No its just chavs tend to have there hair styled in that particular way...

No it just means you have a shaved head.

ac1d1ty · 13 Jul 2009 at 02:23

violence isn't the answer to problems...........

but that little ***** certainly got his fingers burnt this time.

I saw call it an accident....

Caseh · 13 Jul 2009 at 02:23

So surely it just means he wanted to get his hair in that style? (Fair enough, an ugly style)

I really don't see how someones hairstyle can put them in a bracket of people.

platinum87 · 13 Jul 2009 at 07:44

[Cas];14461858 said:
I always worked A LOT harder for the teachers I didn't hate. And from what I could see, so did everyone else.

there was one teacher who used to kick out 1 person out a day minimum, even if the person wasnt even talking and was doing his work....

if you stop doing work and he sees this, your immediately standing outside and get an hour detention.

i also dont understand what you mean by a lot harder, 1 hour of work in any class is exactly the same, are you saying you intentionally dont do the work and try to drag it out to spite them?

SexyGreyFox · 13 Jul 2009 at 07:45

thehitmen said:
No its just chavs tend to have there hair styled in that particular way...

There are 100s of 'chavs' around here and not one of them has an hairstyle like that.
Which phone does a chav have - I hope it's not a LG Cookie.

platinum87 · 13 Jul 2009 at 07:53

Tefal said:
Your 21 so there wouldn't have been corporal punishment, and you where scared of your teachers?

and the "punishments" they handed out.

just lol, from the man would could take any torture thrown at him you where scared of the naughty step.

or did they make you sit in the corner during your lunch break? that must have been horrible for you

ROFL!

i didnt say i was scared, just there was no need to have a 1hour detention every single day, i wanted to go home and play games, and go home with friends and talk etc, not go home late by myself.

im not a total mug to start arguments with teachers etc, i just talk and muck around in general, which in certain classes was absolutely impossible, if i did argue i would have simply been suspended... only morons would do that and think they are tough in some way, which a few obviously did, and were excluded eventually

and i never said i could take any torture, just waterboarding

i was never scared of a beating and recieved many from my dad when i was younger

we never had lunch detentions that i can remember, if that wasnt a joke

SexyGreyFox · 13 Jul 2009 at 08:00

[Cas];14466331 said:
Yet most of the people to have come from the time when this "Ironfist" approach was in force, are now the parents of the people that are supposedly causing all the problems, or Grandparents. If that approach worked so well, why are there so many shoddy parents in that bracket?

I can answer that and it's all about psychology.
I would love to go back to corporal punishment in schools but when it was taken away I too would have been straight down the school if my daughters had been punished.
We live in a namby pamby society where everything has to be risk assessed and like it or not it rubs off on everybody and we all take it in.
I'm taking 30 x 15 year olds to a museum tomorrow and I've got to have risk assessments for the walk to the coach, on the coach and at the museum.

The other thing is that my teachers between 1962 and 1974 were the people who dished out the punishment and instilled obedience and my mother only smacked me several times (my father has never smacked me).

platinum87 · 13 Jul 2009 at 08:13

^^ dmpoole, i dont think corporal punishment would work really, i can say that it certainly wouldnt have worked on me, not wanting to get suspended and being shouted at is one thing but i cannot control myself if anyone hits me. Not to mention a lock knife costs £5, a belt buckle blade costs £25 and a pen/knife costs £15...

MattandJet · 13 Jul 2009 at 08:30

If only the 456 was real and we could really give them 10% of the child population (future chavs)

(Torchwood reference... incase you don't know)

Destination · 13 Jul 2009 at 08:45

Raymond Lin said:
The only thing he could do is claim temporary insanity or provocation, it really is the only defence he has left.

Might get him off the charges, but his career will be ended no matter what the outcome of any trial.

He shouldn't have hit the kid with the weight.

The kid probably deserved it.

Karma of 0 on this one.

EdAllonby · 13 Jul 2009 at 08:50

We have to know the full true story before any assumptions. Thats what courts do

CaptainCrash · 13 Jul 2009 at 09:34

Stretch said:
'Chav' boy annoys teacher.

Teacher give's 'chav' the cane.

'Chav' dad turns up at school and breaks teacher’s nose.

You get the idea.

Too right - I don't consider myself a "chav", but just the thought of another adult beating one of my kids with a cane, stick, fist, open hand or anything else, regardless of how much they supposedly "deserved" it for "annoying" a teacher, absolutely makes my blood boil. Once I caught up with the individual concerned, then god help them. I've never found it necessary to raise a hand to either of my children, and I certainly wouldn't tolerate it by anyone else.

Maybe that makes me a bad parent by the criteria of some here, but my kids have now reached their early teens and (so far) seem to be surprisingly free of any sociopathic tendencies or general chaviness.

As for the people here saying that a child lying in hospital with a bleeding brain "got his just desserts" for being rude to a teacher, well, words just fail me. Utterly unbelievable.