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Reports suggest that that is what he said, as well as having "I'm looking at the psycho in the mirror" sung at him.
RDM, I live in the same world as you. And the same one as the teacher and the little tosspot.
If the charges aren't dropped....
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RDM, I live in the same world as you. And the same one as the teacher and the little tosspot.
And that deserves getting your head caved in? Hit a little harder and it may well have been a murder charge rather than an attempted murder charge.
The difference is I don't think swearing at someone and insulting someone deserves having your head caved in. You possibly wonder why I am against corporal punishment when that is the sort of attitude prevelant in its proponents?
It really does sadden me that you think braining somebody is justified in that situation.
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Surely, going by your logic, for insulting said child, you deserve getting nearly murdered?
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Respect works automatically in one way only (and can, of course, be removed if they are not earning it) - I.e. I will automatically respect my elders and I expect those younger than me to give me respect. Again in both situations respect can be lost.
Hopefully that is a little clearer than my earlier post?
Children should be seen and not heard is not a bad mantra. It doesn't mean children have no input in life, nor does it mean they are at the whim of adults but rather than they should be quiet and respectful when around adults, Make as much noise and mucking about as they want when they are out playing.
As for casual violence I'd say that is a prevalent today as it was then. That isn't the problem. The problem is the Victorians use of children as cheap (or free) labour - now that is wrong.
Yes if they feared me all the time, no if they feared the consequences of disobedience. Again that doesn't mean the fear of violence.
Oh boo hoo aren't you the rebellious stubborn child!
You don't think my son is stubborn or pig headed? Well guess what he was (and still is) and I have never laid a finger on him but he knows where the line is.I hate violence (it is the first recourse of the weak minded) but I also dislike the way things are going with regards to parenting and teaching. Kids need discipline and it needs to be hard and uncomfortable but never malicious.
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I do???
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Yes. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you appear to be saying all this is justified because the kid provoked him by calling him names. Therefore, the kid has every right to hit you over the head with a 2kg weight or whatever it was.
Which isn't exactly all that far from where I stand. But then i tend to give everyone respect until they do something to lose it. But I do not think allowing teachers to hit children is a good way of going about improving respect. Also the age of the child comes in to it and at 14 or so they are starting to transition to adults and so need to be handled better than with just fear.
Both are wrong in my eyes.
Still doesn't sit right with me to be honest.
Oh boo hoo aren't you the rebellious stubborn child!
Not any more, I am the rebellious and stubborn adult and have been for a very long time.
Unfortunately this thread seems to be calling for the return of corporal punishment, which I think is a very bad idea especially having known same reasonably sadistic teachers in my time.
Especially when you also have people that think the kid deserved to be hospitalised, imagine giving them the legal right to hit children.
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I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion.
Are you saying that if I was to go to his hospital bed and tell him that he brought this on himself that he'd be within his rights to get up and clout me?
If thats what you're suggesting then I disagree with that because the kid was the catalyst in this chain of events, as much as the girl was too.
I've just judged the little lout and given my opinion on what happened and who's to blame.
The bloke is supposed to be a Teacher.
He has a duty of care toward his pupils (little **** or not) and he clearly lost it in a big way.
He deserves a padded cell rather than any kind of sympathy.
I wonder how many of the people posting in support of him are parents themselves?
He has a duty of care toward his pupils (little **** or not) and he clearly lost it in a big way.
He deserves a padded cell rather than any kind of sympathy.
I wonder how many of the people posting in support of him are parents themselves?
I bet the pupil desrved it!
When i was at school, some chav in a lesson, was smoking in the classroom!! . He was told to put it out, he flicked the fag at the teacher, burning him, so the teacher went over and kicked his chair leg, chav falls off and cracks his nose, the who class stuck up for the teacher!
Bring back the cane!!!!!
When i was at school, some chav in a lesson, was smoking in the classroom!! . He was told to put it out, he flicked the fag at the teacher, burning him, so the teacher went over and kicked his chair leg, chav falls off and cracks his nose, the who class stuck up for the teacher!
Bring back the cane!!!!!
Post again when you have brought your brain along with you.
I work in a hospital, if i decided to hit a very annoying patient (there are LOTS of them) would i get sympathy for being sack/Charged for whatever? No, and rightly so.
Also, I do find it disturbing that in a world where all the "adults" (as they keep calling themselves) say there is no need for violence, yet some(minority, maybe) believe the kid got what he deserved, and want to bring back corporal punishment.
When did words ever deserve a physical punishment? Oh that's right, never. If the teacher is not of a stable enough mind to be teaching, then the school and himself are to blame.
Also, you cannot possibly say the child was in the wrong, from one side of the story. Yes, I do think he did provoke him, but you cannot be 100% certain.
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Exactly, it was only a matter of time. Teachers have very few options when dealing with problem children. Most are left with the impossible task of teaching kids that are hell-bent on giving them a hard time. Then at the end of the year are judged on the academic performance of these children.
'Chav' boy annoys teacher.
Teacher give's 'chav' the cane.
'Chav' dad turns up at school and breaks teacher’s nose.
You get the idea.
I don't agree with corporal punishment, but I don't think you full appreciate the difficult position some teachers are placed in. They can't walk away, or ignore problem pupils without giving up a career they otherwise enjoy. They're trying to do a job to the best of their ability with someone in the room continuously trying to undermine them, or worse. Everyone has a breaking point.[Cas];14465581 said:
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Back in my day even the rough parents stuck up for the teachers.
Just shows how times have changed.
I don't for one second doubt that he was trying to the best of his ability, and I also don't doubt that there is a hell of a lot of provoking in a class room, It isn't that long since i was in one. But, there is no excuse what so ever for what he did. If someone cannot handle what a child throws at them (verbally) then simply, they should not be in the job. Harsh, but true. If a child reacted like that in the school, towards another pupil there would have been NO sympathy, so the teacher should have none either. Empathy maybe, but certainly not sympathy.
As should pupils. I know teachers have a very hard job, but they know how hard it is when they go into it. A police officer has a hard job, yet they are harassed like they are the plague of the country as soon as they show a little "ironfist" approach to something.
What gives?
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That man was only doing his job, and he was being given grief. I dont understand why they didn't tell the WHOLE story of what happend, rather than just making him look like a psyco that just decided to attack a pupil. And teachers should be respected.
I have mixed feelings about this. The overiding thing is that he hurt someone, thus he is technically in the wrong.
However having said that, I have utter sympathy for the teacher.
I remember just a few years ago being in a class with a teacher who had no control. Some bitch of a teacher had once "set him up" in front of a class and from then on he had absolutely no power. The head of years and headteacher just didn't want to know the story.
So I watched a decent man who just wanted to teach a class go though so much pain and suffering. It was criminally unfair and to be honest, if he had come in with a gun I wouldn't have blamed him.
Fact is that pupils today don't have the necessary respect (im just about sub 20 so I am not THAT old lol). I firmly advocate stronger measures against disruptive people. I belive in the explusion of students for good straight into the workplace and I belive in harsh punishments.
In my time in secondary education, I saw the same little ****s who would **** about all day, go home and work like blacks after disrupting the class for the day. They dragged everyone down yet walked away with decent grades.
Who wants to make a dartboard?
However having said that, I have utter sympathy for the teacher.
I remember just a few years ago being in a class with a teacher who had no control. Some bitch of a teacher had once "set him up" in front of a class and from then on he had absolutely no power. The head of years and headteacher just didn't want to know the story.
So I watched a decent man who just wanted to teach a class go though so much pain and suffering. It was criminally unfair and to be honest, if he had come in with a gun I wouldn't have blamed him.
Fact is that pupils today don't have the necessary respect (im just about sub 20 so I am not THAT old lol). I firmly advocate stronger measures against disruptive people. I belive in the explusion of students for good straight into the workplace and I belive in harsh punishments.
In my time in secondary education, I saw the same little ****s who would **** about all day, go home and work like blacks after disrupting the class for the day. They dragged everyone down yet walked away with decent grades.
Who wants to make a dartboard?
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[Cas];14465817 said:
Pupils don't deserve any respect. They're maggots, and should be grovelling at the opportunity to (1) Be in school and (2) Have free, good education.
This has been tried and tested. Iron fist approach of a couple of decades ago - 'better' society. Now, with more leniency and laize-fair - terrible society, more thugs than ever before.
Yet most of the people to have come from the time when this "Ironfist" approach was in force, are now the parents of the people that are supposedly causing all the problems, or Grandparents. If that approach worked so well, why are there so many shoddy parents in that bracket?