Who killed PC gaming ?
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there is deffinitly a glut at the moment with pc games and does make me think about how the future of it will turn out 
if you look in the next year at the fps scene for example theres amybe two games that could be massive. lets vut through the bullshine theres probably three main games maybe next year and the rest maybe stocking fillers time wasters.
like on the cod scene if waw wouldnt of been a utter flop online maybe there would be a lot more happier gamers and would have kept us going until mw2.
but........cause it has bombed nobody knows what to do gamewise and everyone is playing all different games trying to find that game that will make it worth playing , which at the moment it just isnt there.
my main hopes for my bread and butter games for next year are modern warfare two and alien vs predator but tbh my hopes arnt as high as usual given how the gaming scene has gone down hill slightly.
i honestly think the all in one entertainment center in a box will be the next thing. maybe 5 years time. it will do everything online like surfing , downloading and play everygame you want with cable tv or satelite whatever but you get the picture.
if you look in the next year at the fps scene for example theres amybe two games that could be massive. lets vut through the bullshine theres probably three main games maybe next year and the rest maybe stocking fillers time wasters.
like on the cod scene if waw wouldnt of been a utter flop online maybe there would be a lot more happier gamers and would have kept us going until mw2.
but........cause it has bombed nobody knows what to do gamewise and everyone is playing all different games trying to find that game that will make it worth playing , which at the moment it just isnt there.
my main hopes for my bread and butter games for next year are modern warfare two and alien vs predator but tbh my hopes arnt as high as usual given how the gaming scene has gone down hill slightly.
i honestly think the all in one entertainment center in a box will be the next thing. maybe 5 years time. it will do everything online like surfing , downloading and play everygame you want with cable tv or satelite whatever but you get the picture.
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I can't believe I wasted my time reading that. I have a PS3 and a smattering of really good games. I haven't opened the boxes in about 6 months.
It isn't that PC gaming is better, or consoles better, it just comes down to preference. Consoles 'seem' to be easier (post 30).
It isn't that PC gaming is better, or consoles better, it just comes down to preference. Consoles 'seem' to be easier (post 30).
The possible death of PC gaming
What does this mean? I guess it means big name developers and publishers concentrate all the efforts on consoles and we don't see movie licences, sequels or huge budget games.
What does this not mean? The death of computer games. There will always be PC games and I mean always. Things may change and we may not see Call of Duty 6, 7 or 8 but I'm sure we'll always have new games to look forward too.
PC games aren't going anywhere. Computers are more popular than ever and there is a huge market.
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I wonder if we'll ever see the day when a new console comes along, but you can buy it as a box (like 360) or you can buy it as a PC hardware addon that provides 100% accurate emulation.
What does this mean? I guess it means big name developers and publishers concentrate all the efforts on consoles and we don't see movie licences, sequels or huge budget games.
What does this not mean? The death of computer games. There will always be PC games and I mean always. Things may change and we may not see Call of Duty 6, 7 or 8 but I'm sure we'll always have new games to look forward too.
PC games aren't going anywhere. Computers are more popular than ever and there is a huge market.
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I wonder if we'll ever see the day when a new console comes along, but you can buy it as a box (like 360) or you can buy it as a PC hardware addon that provides 100% accurate emulation.
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If we're talking second hand, I could've set up my xbox, monitor and speakers for ~£200 but I'm not one for buying second hand unless it's from the MM as I don't trust other places.
People can argue that it's possible to get a pc setup for roughly the same price as a console setup till they're blue in the face but at the end of the day it just isn't true.
The point is that cheap PC performs better than a brand new xbox or second hand xbox.
Its all about choice & the real point is that many pro console peoples argument is that PC gamers players have no choice but to spend spend spend which is not true.
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I feel that you can pretty much blame piracy 100% for the state of PC gamming.
If you’ve ever been privy to the piracy of a new release, you officially forfeit the right to claim you care about the medium, or it’s standing in the eyes of the wider world.
If money is the issue, there are plenty of videogames that don’t require that you spent £30 and own a PC, I recommend noughts & crosses.
If you’ve ever been privy to the piracy of a new release, you officially forfeit the right to claim you care about the medium, or it’s standing in the eyes of the wider world.
If money is the issue, there are plenty of videogames that don’t require that you spent £30 and own a PC, I recommend noughts & crosses.
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as an analyst it always annoys me when you see articles on this subject based on bad data. As i've mentioned before on this subject the measure of how 'alive' any gaming platform is should be primarily the number of people using it.
These figures only count for sales and not users - check the number of players on CSS, WoW, BF2 and they are still very healthy - 3 games that have been out for years. I wonder how many people are playing Halo 2 on the original X-box?
Without proper data its hard to draw any firm conclusions, but i would like to point out that just because sales are lower does not mean there are less users. I would argue PC gaming has partly been a victim of its own success due to the advancement of online gaming - people are happy playing games for years and therefore have no need to buy new ones.
These figures only count for sales and not users - check the number of players on CSS, WoW, BF2 and they are still very healthy - 3 games that have been out for years. I wonder how many people are playing Halo 2 on the original X-box?
Without proper data its hard to draw any firm conclusions, but i would like to point out that just because sales are lower does not mean there are less users. I would argue PC gaming has partly been a victim of its own success due to the advancement of online gaming - people are happy playing games for years and therefore have no need to buy new ones.
Excellent point made here. Lets just assume that the WOW servers exploded this evening. Yeah it takes some imagination but this is just to put things into perspective. If WOW suddenly disappeared you'd have what? 5-6 million (not counting Asia) PC gamers with nothing to do. A good percentage of those would (once recovered) get back to the PC games they have missed 2005-2009. Others would jump onto another MMO, but even a small percentage would make a huge difference to pc gaming.
So my point being PC game sales suffer as 20-30% (possibly more) of former PC gamers are playing the same game for the 4th year with no interest in anything else.
Now then. What happens when the consoles finally get a MMO with the numbers of WOW. The same thing
Nobody will want to play Gears of War 4 or whatever as they will all be hooked to the new MMO, probably from Activision Blizzard)Edit....
So What killed PC Gaming?
The same thing that will eventually kill the consoles - An MMO with 11 million players
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What will revive PC gaming
Blizzard with the release of Starcraft and Diablo 3.
Once you come away from Warcraft it's difficult go back and those new blizzard games won't have the addictiveness about them (for a good percentage of players anyway)
So in summery Blizzard killed PC Gaming, but they will revive it in 2010
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I cant imagine consoles to ever dominate on RTS, FPS, or MMO.
The key to PC gaming is pretty much 1) Better user control, and 2) Online content and free Mods.
PC games arent dead, is just that there are no rooms for good single players games due to torrent.
The key to PC gaming is pretty much 1) Better user control, and 2) Online content and free Mods.
PC games arent dead, is just that there are no rooms for good single players games due to torrent.
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Same old arguments and its normally by people that can't run their pc's.
Frankly you buy any old dell machine, never update a driver, 99.9% of games will work without a single issue ever. Its mostly the people that update to every single new beta/full driver that get the problems new drivers have with games, plenty of older stable drivers never have any issues with anything.
PC gaming is FAR from expensive, at this point in time I literally don't know anyone, from my 80yr old grandma, to anyone I meet, who doesn't have a PC anyway for everything none gaming. Stick a £70 gfx card in that machine and you instantly have a machine more versatile, cheaper, and more powerful than any console. Expensive, only idiots think that, its cheaper, always has been, always will be.
Yes an entire uber powerful top of the range pc is expensive, but again out of most of the people I know, they'll buy a family pc every 3-4 years at most. a 3-4 year old pc will have a 2Ghz plus dual core at this point, and so a £70 gfx card, hell a £40 gfx card gives you a lot of gaming power for next to no effort. Even if you take your pc in to the purple shirt brigade and have them stick that £50 card in, its a case of walk in, pay, and walk out with your upgraded computer.
But these days, well, i've put in new bits for many friends of familys, most people know a "computer guy" who will help them out for nothing, or peanuts, so its between free and ridiculously easy, or a trip to the local computer shop and very little cash and pretty damn easy, to upgrade any computer.
Your average user who doesn't upgrade every little driver every 8 seconds of the day will have less problems than over enthusiastic people who have to try every little new thing that happens.
Thats all pretending that consoles don't crash, need updates or die, of which, all three happen.
At some point both the normal PC and console will be dead anyway, it will still be PC's but every household will have a "server" room with a single pc with a 16-32core cpu with virtualisation. a bunch of family members can browse the net on wired/wireless screen's, mice, keyboards, controllers and can all use the same comp at the same time, gaming downstairs on a big screen, or upstairs on a smaller screen in your room, whatever.
Frankly you buy any old dell machine, never update a driver, 99.9% of games will work without a single issue ever. Its mostly the people that update to every single new beta/full driver that get the problems new drivers have with games, plenty of older stable drivers never have any issues with anything.
PC gaming is FAR from expensive, at this point in time I literally don't know anyone, from my 80yr old grandma, to anyone I meet, who doesn't have a PC anyway for everything none gaming. Stick a £70 gfx card in that machine and you instantly have a machine more versatile, cheaper, and more powerful than any console. Expensive, only idiots think that, its cheaper, always has been, always will be.
Yes an entire uber powerful top of the range pc is expensive, but again out of most of the people I know, they'll buy a family pc every 3-4 years at most. a 3-4 year old pc will have a 2Ghz plus dual core at this point, and so a £70 gfx card, hell a £40 gfx card gives you a lot of gaming power for next to no effort. Even if you take your pc in to the purple shirt brigade and have them stick that £50 card in, its a case of walk in, pay, and walk out with your upgraded computer.
But these days, well, i've put in new bits for many friends of familys, most people know a "computer guy" who will help them out for nothing, or peanuts, so its between free and ridiculously easy, or a trip to the local computer shop and very little cash and pretty damn easy, to upgrade any computer.
Your average user who doesn't upgrade every little driver every 8 seconds of the day will have less problems than over enthusiastic people who have to try every little new thing that happens.
Thats all pretending that consoles don't crash, need updates or die, of which, all three happen.
At some point both the normal PC and console will be dead anyway, it will still be PC's but every household will have a "server" room with a single pc with a 16-32core cpu with virtualisation. a bunch of family members can browse the net on wired/wireless screen's, mice, keyboards, controllers and can all use the same comp at the same time, gaming downstairs on a big screen, or upstairs on a smaller screen in your room, whatever.
Was round at a mate's house over the weekend and he was showing me some of his PS3 titles inc the new Tiger Woods game. I was staggered when he went into the Sony marketplace or whatever and saw that their were literally dozens of "extra" courses that you could download for £2-3. Now when you're paying £35-£40 for the title in the first place, this would mean that if you wanted all the courses it would probably cost over £100!!! The same applied to Singstar in that you got about 12 really lousy tracks on the actual £40 game and if you wanted owt decent you had to fork out a couple of quid per track and there were hundreds!!!
The point of this I think is that console users are far more likely to spend £100 on one game than pc users ever would as pc DLC tends to be fan made and therefore free. If Tiger Woods is out on pc, they might get a few thousand sales at £25 a pop but on the consoles, they are likely to get a few hundred thousand sales at £50+ a pop.
The point of this I think is that console users are far more likely to spend £100 on one game than pc users ever would as pc DLC tends to be fan made and therefore free. If Tiger Woods is out on pc, they might get a few thousand sales at £25 a pop but on the consoles, they are likely to get a few hundred thousand sales at £50+ a pop.
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I see the PC market as games like World of Warcraft, Football manager, Battlefield, Counter-strike: source, TF2, Armed Assault series.
These games cannot be done on consoles. The PC is still great for these!
These games cannot be done on consoles. The PC is still great for these!
well im just hopeing they bring back lan support in games for pc ,
and the option to add bots in 1943 on pc would be nice.
but i carnt see it happening, as most if not all new pc games need to log in to an account and use there servers only
i feel the pc market isnt as it used to be but then 5/6 years back when you look at it there wasnt hd tvs ( cheap )and online on consoles was well bad, now its so easy to get online you dont need to patch games as they auto patch.
a lot of my mates have all gone over to 360 now as its so much easyer to get all your mates online and play and its cheap to do.
well to put it this way i run a gaming arena and we have just taken half the pcs out and installed 360 machines,
and the option to add bots in 1943 on pc would be nice.
but i carnt see it happening, as most if not all new pc games need to log in to an account and use there servers only
i feel the pc market isnt as it used to be but then 5/6 years back when you look at it there wasnt hd tvs ( cheap )and online on consoles was well bad, now its so easy to get online you dont need to patch games as they auto patch.
a lot of my mates have all gone over to 360 now as its so much easyer to get all your mates online and play and its cheap to do.
well to put it this way i run a gaming arena and we have just taken half the pcs out and installed 360 machines,
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yes but executed poorly