Legit place to buy CD keys?

Ascendancy · 15 Jul 2009 at 13:09

Sin_Chase said:
Circumvent copy protection?

The files exist on the media and are extractable to any location without any circumvention.

You've never tried to copy a game/DVD have you?

DVDs feature CSS encryption, and most games feature some variation of SecureROM to stop you doing this.

You can back up your game, but it won't pass the CD check, which means you'll have to use a crack, which is illegal

Kenai · 15 Jul 2009 at 13:10

Ultimately it's one of those laws no one cares about and you won't get prosecuted for.

Just the same as ripping music from CD to PC is (or at least used to be, i've not looked recently) technically illegal, everyone does it and no one will do you for it.

Just having a legit key is not a legal excuse to go and download a copy of software from wherever you please however you're exceptionally unlikely to ever get pulled up for it.

Sin_Chase · 15 Jul 2009 at 13:12

Ascendancy said:
You've never tried to copy a game/DVD have you?

If you could not read the files from the DVD then you would not be able to install the game.

Copy Protection exists to prevent EXACT images of media being taken as to be able to replicate a disc as if it was the original. Nothing is stopping you extracting the files from it and burning it elsewhere.

Ascendancy · 15 Jul 2009 at 13:13

Sin_Chase said:
If you could not read the files from the DVD then you would not be able to install the game.

Copy Protection exists to prevent EXACT images of media being taken as to be able to replicate a disc as if it was the original. Nothing is stopping you extracting the files from it and burning it elsewhere.

But your backup wouldn't work, rendering it useless.

Sin_Chase · 15 Jul 2009 at 13:21

It would work for the process of installing the game, alongside a modified executable to avoid having to put in a DVD every time (and extend loading times) rendering it better than the original.

Get off your legal high horse.

Ascendancy · 15 Jul 2009 at 13:25

Sin_Chase said:
alongside a modified executable to avoid having to put in a DVD every time

So your back up wouldn't work without, as I already stated, an illegal crack.

You can argue until the cows come home, the cold hard truth, is that it is illegal.

You may not be prosecuted for it, nobody may care, but it's still illegal.

Sin_Chase said:
Get off your legal high horse.

This bit made me chuckle. I've bought about 2 games in the past 5 years

. I'm merely stating facts.

Kenai · 15 Jul 2009 at 13:28

It's gay to talk about things factually rather than spouting half truths and misinformation or didn't you know that Ascendancy?

Sin_Chase · 15 Jul 2009 at 13:30

I do not care about the legality, nor did I state using modified exes WAS legal.

The OP wants to buy a Legal Key, he can. He can also obtain working media and play the game.

Facts are indeed very simple. Legality aside Copy protection exists to stop the piracy of games and NON-LEGAL keys enabling people to play without any purchase. The OP wants to buy a legal key and install/play the game - this was clearly not an objective of copy protection.

Ascendancy · 15 Jul 2009 at 13:31

Kenai said:
It's gay to talk about things factually rather than spouting half truths and misinformation or didn't you know that Ascendancy?

It's not really their fault though. It's just one of those urban myths that everyone seems to believe, like the one that you're allowed to download ROMs if you only keep them for 24 hours

Sin_Chase said:
OP wants to buy a legal key and install/play the game - this was clearly not an objective of copy protection.

Why buy a legal key if you're only going to break the law anyway? Aside from the multiplayer side of course.

Sin_Chase · 15 Jul 2009 at 13:34

What Urban myth?

You clearly did not read the wiki extract that states there is legislation that outlines fair use with respect to copying copyrighted material.

Making personal backups is not an urban myth. :confused:

It may be a grey area if taken to court but it's not something someone just made up.

Ascendancy · 15 Jul 2009 at 13:35

Sin_Chase said:
What Urban myth?

You clearly did not read the wiki extract that states there is legislation that outlines fair use wit respect to copying copyrighted material.

Did I overlook the part that allows you to break the encryption that 99% of games and movies have?

Sin_Chase · 15 Jul 2009 at 13:36

Ascendancy said:
Why buy a legal key if you're only going to break the law anyway? Aside from the multiplayer side of course.

Really, you had to ask?

Cost and availability are the 2 major advantages - Why do you think the Steam business model is so successful?

rypt · 15 Jul 2009 at 13:38

Ascendancy said:
Did I overlook the part that allows you to break the encryption that 99% of games and movies have?

When you are downloading it you are not committing that offence, someone else may have committed it - not all countries view removal of encryption as illegal either - for instance in Australia courts have ruled it is perfectly legal.

Ascendancy · 15 Jul 2009 at 13:38

Sin_Chase said:
Why do you think the Steam business model is so successful?

I ask myself this every day when I see the rip off prices of games on there.

Ascendancy · 15 Jul 2009 at 13:39

rypt said:
When you are downloading it you are not committing that offence, someone else may have committed it - not all countries view removal of encryption as illegal either - for instance in Australia courts have ruled it is perfectly legal.

So it's alright to own a stolen DVD player, as long as someone else has stolen it?

Sin_Chase · 15 Jul 2009 at 13:39

Ascendancy said:
Did I overlook the part that allows you to break the encryption that 99% of games and movies have?

You are clearly overlooking what copy protection exists for and that personal backups are clearly not a nefarious activity to circumvent copy protection and copy the content for profit.

Sin_Chase · 15 Jul 2009 at 13:39

Ascendancy said:
So it's alright to own a stolen DVD player, as long as someone else has stolen it?

Would you like to compare Apples to Oranges more?

rypt · 15 Jul 2009 at 13:39

Ascendancy said:
So it's alright to own a stolen DVD player, as long as someone else has stolen it?

This is not theft though ... and cannot be theft.

Ascendancy · 15 Jul 2009 at 13:41

Sin_Chase said:
You are clearly overlooking what copy protection exists for and that personal backups are clearly not a nefarious activity to circumvent copy protection and copy the content for profit.

You're clearly overlooking the fact that regardless of intent, it's still illegal.

I'm leaving this thread now, as I feel I'm arguing myself in circles now. Believe what you want.

Sin_Chase · 15 Jul 2009 at 13:41

Ascendancy said:
You're clearly overlooking the fact that regardless of intent, it's still illegal.

I'm leaving this thread now, as I feel I'm arguing myself in circles now. Believe what you want.

Legislation dis-agrees with you.