50mph in a 40, will dispute.. comments please

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Just been done for 50mph in a 40 and there is no way I was doing that, speedo would have indicated 51-52 (gps reference overread of 1-2mph) and it was a pitch black road, after coming around a left hand corner with main beams on, having seen the Ford S-Max parked broad side on, Police livery lightning up like a punch to the face. Second I saw it I checked my speedo and it read a solid 42. I didn't even lift off, or break and was shocked beyond all belief he pulled me over on Blues. I even knew what car it was AS I came around the corner it was that obvious.

400.54 Metre, opposite side of the road to me in a gravel layby/carpark.

I am somehow doubting from the place he was standing he could have got an accurate reading at 400 metres considering the darkness and conditions.

Google Earth of the distance from his location and a 3.5 second exposure of the area (marked with red box) he gunned me in.

Do they just aim at my Xenons and shoot or what? If So, hitting the curvature of my bonnet at 400 metres gives a what 1 foot - 1.5foot wide laser beam to bounce back from? I know these things supposedly have erro checking in them and so many of the reflected beams need to read an average but how am I supposed to interpret any error codes when he shows me the readout? You can see part of the hedgerow/sand dunes in the bottom left of the red box, he was gunning from the passenger window of the car so would have been a fair few metres back from the edge of the road and viewing/shooting over it.

Do the googles/guns (whatever they are) have Night vision to somehow make out an area on my car to gun?

Parish hall inquiry in August where I will say my part, even if I was doing 50 on probably one of the remotest roads on the island at 2145 I don't think the punishment will be severe, but I know I was not doing 50.

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That looks like St Ouen beach, by the Watersplash. Me the the wife had a great time there on our honeymoon.
 
Bloody hell that is a fair distance in the dark!

I could believe it in daytime, or perhaps a road with lighting, but there is NO street lighting or any sources of ambient light where I was supposedly gunned doing 50.

The ONLY thing he would have been able to see is my headlights. Its not like my car has a huge front profile!

Was 3 coppers, 1 was obviously a new recruit/trainee, was being watched with hark eyes as he took my details. Reckon its a case of "hey check how far I can gun in the pitch black..." :p
 
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Assuming that they were using a laser, the effective range is about 1000m, which is the same day or night. The trouble with night use is getting a good aim on the car, which is why I've never heard of them being used at night. That said, it wouldn't be hard to aim between your headlights and a little down - and they are aiming for your number plate.


Feel free to contest, but be aware a) Pipeepoo has more rubbish than a recycling centre, and b) the penaties if you lose are far more severe.


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It seems reasonable that the Police may have been parked where they were for some time; they may have had plenty of time to line up their laser speed gun and you may well not have been the first person to be caught.

However, there do seem to be serious doubts as to the accuracy of these speed guns (the Daily mail had a campaign on them a few years ago and I believe that the Police admitted recently that they are unreliable), so I woud certainly contest the charge.

Do keep us posted on your success ;)
 
Done some research and if I DONT admit the charge they will take it to Magistrate and a conviction will be sought by the local authority (Parish) If I do then they may offer a fine and/or caution.

Basically there is no way I can prove I was not doing that speed and its 3 local Honoury Polices word versus mine, although I cannot see how ANY of them could have formed an opinion of my visible speed from 400m+ by headlights alone.

Changes in local law mean anyone fined for speeding by the local honorary authorities have their fine cash kept by the parish (all 100% of it) Would not be surprised if it was a money making exercise.

Going to think it over and decide what to do.
 
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In all honesty, if you're sure you weren't doing that speed, I would contest it to the end of the Earth.

The risk of a greater punishment isn't as important as clearing your name, in my opinion.
 
In all honesty, if you're sure you weren't doing that speed, I would contest it to the end of the Earth.

The risk of a greater punishment isn't as important as clearing your name, in my opinion.

If I knew for certain I wasnt speeding I wouldnt pay it.
 
The risk of a greater punishment isn't as important as clearing your name, in my opinion.

Thats the problem, even if I was doing 30 mph and they gunned me at 50. I have to prove that their gun was not calibrated and/or that they slipped the reading on my car. This is going to be pretty much impossible for me, the only factors I can lean on are the darkness, range and conditions.

As of now there is no record, and I will not be convicted if I just pay up. Maximum fine they can impose is £100.

Up to £100 and no conviction or take the risk and try fight it in court.

However, they can still chose to progress it to Magistrates whether I admit it or not. If they do this, god help them.
 
Thats the problem, even if I was doing 30 mph and they gunned me at 50.
Surely that isn't right? It thought that British law assumed innocence and required proof of guilt?

It must be the responsibility of the Police to prove beyond reasonable doubt that you were exceeding the speed limit, otherwise they could just drive down any street at 3am and book the owner of every parked car for speeding, just on their 'say so' :confused:
 
Where is this corner you came round?? Your aerial photo shows the road to be almost straight and they certainly had a lot more than the 400m to line it up on your car for a reading from your photo alone...

Looks like you have been caught fair and square, plenty of clear road, laser gun, 3 coppers....you dont stand a chance and i very much doubt you are being stitched up!
 
Speeding fines and the court cases are absolutely stupid and should be banned immediately.

It is the one offence you are guilty until you prove innocence. You have no right until you go to court of the calibration records or anything else. In over word until you go to court. They do not have to show you a single scrap of evidence. The system s a disgrace and certainly a massive human rights issue.

All speeding fines should come with photo and calibration details as standard.
 
Guy at work contested a 40 in a 30.... ended up getting 4 points and £350. Think carefully before contesting imo.
 
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