Who feels doctors are overpaid?

Yup, extremely jealous lol, I know it's not paid by tax payers etc, but my argument is more directed towards how is it justifyable(sp) to pay them that much? the taxes they pay are great as you mentioned, but for someone who's on the same intellectual level as McDonalds cheif burger flipper, it just disheartens me that I can work my ass off at what I do, and i'll still never realistically match their pay

and once again, I'm extremely jealous hehe

I don't think you can really comment on their intellectual capacity considering you can't spell justifiable or chief:p End of the day, footballers are part of a multi-billion pound a year industry and the economics of that industry defines what is justifiable as a cost and what isn't. If you are disheartened that you work your ass off for nothing, then move to a market where your skills are in higher demand. I bet if you had the skills to be part of a leading premiership team, you wouldn't be complaining.

Another interesting point which may help you understand why the pay is what it is, why don't you just play professional football?
 
And since when was intellect the only value of worth?

Those flipping burgers, in fact those with 6 degrees. Could not be taught to kick a ball like they do.

And you don't think decades of training is working their ass of?


Perhaps you should do a degree on how to think.

Fair few points, yea they train bloody hard, I wasn't debating that, i've got a few friends who work in athletics fields and I know he works hard, I merely meant it's hard to find a job that matches the pay of footballers, even some doctors are paid less than footballers

other than that, pretty snappy :confused:
 
Definitely not overpaid. The amount of time required to train and then the time you spend out of work hours reading medical journals and researching.

I don't envy doctors.
 
I don't think you can really comment on their intellectual capacity considering you can't spell justifiable or chief:p End of the day, footballers are part of a multi-billion pound a year industry and the economics of that industry defines what is justifiable as a cost and what isn't. If you are disheartened that you work your ass off for nothing, then move to a market where your skills are in higher demand. I bet if you had the skills to be part of a leading premiership team, you wouldn't be complaining.

Another interesting point which may help you understand why the pay is what it is, why don't you just play professional football?

hehe yup, again fair point, doubting their intelligence is a bit harsh on my part, so fair comment, especially when I make errors like that >.<

and if i could play pro football, I would, hence the jealousy :p
 
This is a completely backwards idea.

Why take someone away from their area of specialist knowledge to learn CPR all over again every month?

What is a "chest tube", by the way?

Did I say CPR, I can do CPR, most people can get a pretty decent amount of help done based on what they've seen on TV, its the simplist thing there is, bar calling 999.

A doctor any time anywhere might be called on to help in an emergency, being practiced at a procedure is the difference between screwing it up and not. A rusty doctor might do more damage than no doctor at all.

What if in an emergency they need a doc down in the ER to help out because of a mass casualty situation what use will they be if they can't remember how to safely do simple things.

Also its a case of seeing other problems, the classic thing people say is show an x-ray to different doctors with a "blob" on the chest, an oncologist see's cancer, a cardiologist see's an enlarged heart, a ortho see's a broken bone, etc, etc, etc.

People make incorrect diagnosis constantly in hospitals because they don't think outside the box. A cancer specialist see's cancer patients all the time so won't easily recognise TB or some other problem. The best doctors are those that have a broad base of knowledge and don't limit their diagnosis based on the name of the department on the door.


A GP, trained and experienced 20 years before, a patient comes in and while there they have trouble breathing, they can't intubate because they've forgotten how even though they've been trained to do so, just not done it in 30 years. If he worked twice a month in an ER he'd probably be able to do it then and there, practiced and smooth as anything.


A specialist , lets say an oncologist, won't be a worse doctor for spending 2 days in a month in another department, they'll be BETTER, and 2 days won't make them worse in their own specialty either. Their are serious benefits and no downsides.

It also means, if you float an ER guy up to work in the oncology department, they get more familiar with how cancer presents in hard cases, that means a guy coming in with back pain might instead of being sent home with an ibuprofen, that same guy, because of the 2 days he did up in oncology, might catch that guys cancer early enough to save his life.

Rounded doctors are the BEST doctors.
 
I have a friend who works in ICU, he's pretty well off, but is oftern very stressed. I also know another guy who racked up ~£25-30k of student debt to become a doctor. So it evens out, the debt you incur to be come a doctor gets siphoned off each month from their pay cheque.
 
, I merely meant it's hard to find a job that matches the pay of footballers, even some doctors are paid less than footballers
Fair enough. But it's simple supply and demand. Very few excellent footballs. Compared to most other careers. Football unlike other supports also bring in huge amount of money. Both from fans and sponsors. If they don't pay. Footballers would simply move abroad and follow the money and the sponsors would follow. As you can see sports and especially football/F1 and a few others are very different beasts.
 
Rounded doctors are the BEST doctors.
Er... no. In a perfect world, yes. But I'd rather have a neurosurgeon that has devoted 25yrs of his life to brain surgery operating on me, than someone who rotates to gynecology/A&E/plastics every x months. Come on!

The fact he can't do basic triage means ****.
 
Doctors are definately not overpaid.

Whilst they may earn a large wage after a few years, they have to work utterly ridiculous, borderline illegal hours. It's not something I could do, and I have the utmost respect for anyone willing to put so many hours into helping other people.
 
You decided to do those A-levels, knowing full well your career prospects and potential from your qualifications. That's your fault not theirs.

Err, yes I know I got AAA (as someone indicated is the entry requirements for med school), Im just saying that I decided to do my three year biology degree which I work damn hard at (probably more so than most students which is why I am the highest first year to date at the Uni for my course).

I've made no fault, I dont know why you assume people doing a medical qualification must, by default, work harder than other people, doing shorter non-medical degrees. I have to learn a lot including taxonomical names etc just as a medical student will need to learn large amounts of knowledge regarding accurate diagnosing, treatment etc.
 
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Fair enough. But it's simple supply and demand. Very few excellent footballs. Compared to most other careers. Football unlike other supports also bring in huge amount of money. Both from fans and sponsors. If they don't pay. Footballers would simply move abroad and follow the money and the sponsors would follow. As you can see sports and especially football/F1 and a few others are very different beasts.

true, true, never been a big sports fan personally, hence my sad ignorance to the whole thing, though to be fair, if I were naturally talented in some sports, I'd persue that, and probably not even say some of the things i've said ;) but then again, I'd much rather be a doctor than any kind of sportsman, I'd like to think if I could do both to a high level, I'd much prefer being a doctor. personally feels a more worthy cause, but as i've said, not a sportsfan, so i'm biased :p
 
a 3 year degree doesnt come close to what they do. every man and his dog can get a degree these days. medicine is so vast and complicated it blows my mind.

True, my girlfriend is the only person I know at uni who actually works hard, she does at least 8 hours of studying a day, and even at weekends she will be doing a few hours. Medicine is so competitive that even then she can be way behind.

For those doing other degrees, think of it as the week before your dissertation is handed in, but instead of only a week, she does it all year, for 5 years. That's not including the 6.30 starts for GP placements and hospital visits...

Junior doctors also took what is essentially a pay cut a couple of years ago, they now don't get "free" housing for their first years, which was worth something like 5k.
 
They deserve the money they get, junior doctors should get more than they do.

I'd like to see nurses given more aswell.

I'd like to see other professions get what they deserve and a lot deserve a lot less than they get now.

Thats never going to happen though.
 
Err, yes I know I got AAA (as someone indicated is the entry requirements for med school), Im just saying that I decided to do my three year biology degree which I work damn hard at (probably more so than most students which is why I am the highest first year to date at the Uni for my course).

I've made no fault, I dont know why you assume people doing a medical qualification must, by default, work harder than other people, doing shorter non-medical degrees. I have to learn a lot including taxonomical names etc just as a medical student will need to learn large amounts of knowledge regarding accurate diagnosing, treatment etc.

So if you're capable of doing what doctors do, why don't you? Then earn more money and give you no reason to complain about what they do/earn...

(If I'm missing something then please forgive me, I just don't get your argument)
 
Err, yes I know I got AAA (as someone indicated is the entry requirements for med school), Im just saying that I decided to do my three year biology degree which I work damn hard at (probably more so than most students which is why I am the highest first year to date at the Uni for my course).

I've made no fault, I dont know why you assume people doing a medical qualification must, by default, work harder than other people, doing shorter non-medical degrees. I have to learn a lot including taxonomical names etc just as a medical student will need to learn large amounts of knowledge regarding accurate diagnosing, treatment etc.

A biological scientist doesn't have the responsibility of a doctor, nor requires to have a complete set of knowledge at any one time. Biology and medicine are not comparable.

No, doctors are not overpaid.
 
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Well, it is easier to understand a person dealing with health making a lot, the thing that annoys me is Sports stars, actresses & acters, you know how much the person who played Harry Potter in the movie made? I would bet $1,000,000+ prob. like $20,000,000, god if I had a $1,000,000 I could live great & not have to do anything for the rest of my life. My dad works in a factory that makes parts for Toyota & makes only around $45,000 a year!!
 
Well, it is easier to understand a person dealing with health making a lot, the thing that annoys me is Sports stars, actresses & acters, you know how much the person who played Harry Potter in the movie made? I would bet $1,000,000+ prob. like $20,000,000, god if I had a $1,000,000 I could live great & not have to do anything for the rest of my life. My dad works in a factory that makes parts for Toyota & makes only around $45,000 a year!!

And a actor/sports fan makes 10's of many times the amount of money for the company than a factory worker.
Also in sports sponsors follow the big names further hiking there pay up. In films the public certainly follow big actors.
 
Doctors are not overpaid infact i would say there underpaid, but then again i think doctors walk on water as far as im concerned.
 
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