i agree nurses should be paid more.
Who feels doctors are overpaid?
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Wouldnt it be a shame if you became really ill and were refused treatment by these useless GP's and hospital doctors, perhaps you would learn some respect for them and what they do then.
Sadly its not going to happen because they have a professional approach to their work and will treat people even when they are idiots, self inflict harm, get abusive and violent etc etc.
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Lol @ Op's thread.
No they're not over paid.
No they're not over paid.
Yep I agree with you.
No it comes down to the doctor. They are there to help the doctor not do his job or make discussions.
Your biology course may have been difficult however it’s not even close to medicine. I studied a non medical science based course in Royal Holloway (part of university of London) before going to medical school. Yes it was not easy but the workload was nothing compared to medical school. I am not trying to say your BSc is worth less than a MBBS but don’t delude yourself into think it’s even close to as challenging.
If you are a smart guy and know how to play the game you will do well in the private sector and easily make as much as a Doctor if not more however just because you have a good degrees it does not mean you deserve anything.
I work on a Cardiothoracics ward, and the doctors earn every penny. and the nurses should be on so much more money. (this decision may have been made while looking into training to become a nurse)
So; Doctors should earn more, nurses should earn more. So the answer to your question is, no doctors are not overpaid.
So; Doctors should earn more, nurses should earn more. So the answer to your question is, no doctors are not overpaid.
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Nice to see we're not totally unappreciated!
I think we get paid a reasonable amount given the amount of training we have to do, the hours worked and the level of responsibility and associated stress.
Although basic pay is as you said, currently most get paid around 50% ontop of that during the first 2 years, so an FY1 makes around £30,000-£33,000 and an FY2 earns around £35,000-£40,000, mainly because the NHS doesn't comply with the European Working Time Directive.
I wholeheartedly agree that nurses should be paid more, they work under constant stress, do all the awful things we aren't prepared to do, put up with torrents of abuse from everyone (including the doctors) and are completely unappreciated.
I think we get paid a reasonable amount given the amount of training we have to do, the hours worked and the level of responsibility and associated stress.
Although basic pay is as you said, currently most get paid around 50% ontop of that during the first 2 years, so an FY1 makes around £30,000-£33,000 and an FY2 earns around £35,000-£40,000, mainly because the NHS doesn't comply with the European Working Time Directive.
I wholeheartedly agree that nurses should be paid more, they work under constant stress, do all the awful things we aren't prepared to do, put up with torrents of abuse from everyone (including the doctors) and are completely unappreciated.
My condolences for attending Royal Holloway, although at least you didn't kill yourself
lol I did come close a few times.
Do you know what the take home pay for someone doing ST training in primary care is?
My condolences for attending Royal Holloway, although at least you didn't kill yourself
tee hee.
It's in Egham, right next to the M25 and just a stop away from Staines. UoL but not quite in London
Still a good uni though I hear
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Between 40 and 50k I would hazard a guess, depending on how far along VTS they are, most of the VTS training is hospital based during ST (A&E, paeds, obs&gobs), only during the senior ST years do they spend most of their time actually working as a GP.
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Unfortunately you have to pay well trained people well or they'll go elsewhere in the world or be driven into the private sector.
Well, we've sharply increased pay for doctors in recent times. Has there been a marked change in retention or recruitment? I don't think there has.
It used to be a 1.65 multiplier on basic pay dependant what grade you were on. so if you were an SpR when you started your VTS you were likely to take a pay cut when you qualified and took a salaried post. I'm not sure what current base salaries are and if it's still 1.65x anymore though
This is the point people dont seem to get, pay peanuts get monkeys.
Doctors will just go into the Pharmaceutical industry and work their way up into management and basically waste their skills.
Also if GPs are paid less then consultants none of the top doctors would be interested in going into primary care and we would end up in a system with substandard GP’s.
Definetly not overpaid, from the moment your a med student you are going to be spending the rest of your life in constant academia to stay uptodate with your specialty. Constant exams throughout your career, unsocial hours and constant stress.