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ATI RV870 delayed til Nov

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Looks like the new gen graphics cards are not coming in September as hoped. ~£140 for a 4890 starting to look appealing as a stop gap?

http://www.firingsquad.com/news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=21901

ATI Forum is reporting that the launch of ATI's first DirectX 11 GPU, RV870, has been delayed until November. Not surprisingly, the holdup appears to be TSMC, which is still struggling with their 40-nm manufacturing process. Word on the street is TSMC's yields are around 25%, which is nowhere near acceptable.

ATI had hoped to have RV870 on shelves around the time of Windows 7 launch. Now it appears that's not going to happen.
 
I wonder how the ATI contingent will cope with this news after the criticism they so enjoyed giving NVidia in the "GT300 sub-30% yields" thread. :p

Given that AMD are currently in the habit of releasing low cost graphics cards and processors I wonder if they'll be tempted to hit RV870 with the nerf bat in order to bring yields into line and get an earlier release...?
 
Not sure if it's a good thing or bad thing, now ATI and Nvidia will be releasing within less than a month of eachother.

Maybe ATI will be forced to lower prices if their cards turn out not as good.
 
I wonder how the ATI contingent will cope with this news after the criticism they so enjoyed giving NVidia in the "GT300 sub-30% yields" thread. :p

Given that AMD are currently in the habit of releasing low cost graphics cards and processors I wonder if they'll be tempted to hit RV870 with the nerf bat in order to bring yields into line and get an earlier release...?

what? yields are down to TSMC, because its a TSMC plant run by them. How would giving the rv870 a nerfbat increase the yields, its a tiny, core, Nvidia's is looking to be over twice the size, if either core needed reducing to increase yields, its VERY obvious which one that is. Say, i dunno a billion transistors across the waifer are dud's, and they will probably be in small clusters, the smaller the cores the less transistors are wasted around any cores affected by non working clusters of transistors. IE big huge cores means twice as much waste on each core effected. While AMD are making smaller cores theres an incredibly small chance they'd end up with lower yields than a bigger core, made by AMD, Intel, or Nvidia, thats just the way it works. Theres a chance both will have similar yields but in all likelyhood the smaller cores will have bigger yields than a larger core, across multiple waifers the trend will almost always be higher yields on a smaller core.

Likewise, these are unconfirmed reports, quite possible because, well, TSMC have screwed up everything they've done for almost 3 years now, but still unconfirmed.

Yields are yields are yields, it means SOME are working. They can still launch even if it means 20k cards instead of 100k cards, thats how life works.

Infact considering Win 7's launch date it would work in their favour doing a limited release rather than nothing at all.

Global foundries getting up and running for 3rd party contracts can't happen soon enough for anyone, increase competition means lower prices for everyone, and TSMC having to get off their asses and doing something about crappy new process's. Since GloFo's annoucements TSMC has already massively increased R&D funds, but that won't really come about in results right now but for the next process(or even the one after it). Right now they've been spending as little as possible to keep going because screw ups or not, Nvidia/Ati have no where else to go.
 
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what? yields are down to TSMC, because its a TSMC plant run by them. How would giving the rv870 a nerfbat increase the yields, its a tiny, core, Nvidia's is looking to be over twice the size, if either core needed reducing to increase yields, its VERY obvious which one that is.

Redundancy, it happens a lot in the semiconductor market.

RV770 was manufactured with 900 shaders and released with only 800 active to increase the yields, if AMD want to get to market early and keep prices down they may do the same again and disable some processing units.

NVidia are a different story as they aren't afraid to charge a hefty premium for their high-end parts.
 
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Redundancy, it happens a lot in the semiconductor market.

RV770 was manufactured with 900 shaders and released with only 800 active to increase the yields, if AMD want to get to market early and keep prices down they may do the same again and disable some processing units.

NVidia are a different story as they aren't afraid to charge a hefty premium for their high-end parts.

Firstly AMD were "rumoured" to have 900 shaders of which some were disabled, this was from a well, stupid picture that was misinterpreted by all accounts. Considering yields were great, why on earth would they spend the excess cash respinning a new version of the core for higher speeds, than enabling all shaders on the select cores they accumulated over the year the card was out, answer, they didn't.

yields don't change, no matter what you charge per core, yields are the yields are the yields.

Both companies are seeing large parts of the waifer as unusable at 40nm because TSMC screwed up, its as bad for both companies and Worse for nvidia.

Its actually more power leakage than actually failed transistors, bigger the core and power power running through it the worse it gets on this particular 40nm process.

The cost also is irrelevant and the price companies can charge doesn't matter either. Its pretty simply, if both companies had a 35% yield, AMD would still have, shock horror, twice as many working cores due to the core being half the size, sure, nvidia might charge double for their core, so what?
 
Good job I watercooled my 4870X2 when I decided to...plenty of time to save up where I can and hope the new cards are not too pricey :D
 
works for me just got a 4890. Not like I wasn't gonna jump on the DX11 Cards straight away. Was planning some time around march/april. Want to see the cards get full reviews and benchmarks see whats better ATI or Nvidia and if ATI can keep up the bang for buck performance like the HD4800 series.

I got a funny gut feeling that one set of cards is gonna be left in the dust and jumping on one too early can pretty much write off your money. It took ATI quite some time to get DX10 right, while Nvidia hit it right of the bat with the 8800 series. the HD2000 series were a let down, they weren't bad but they pretty much sucked for top DX10 games. Got a bit better with the HD3000 Series but still not up to the 8800GTX then they finally got it spot on with the HD4000 series giving some serious blows with Nvidias top cards.

Could be wrong, just wouldn't be a bad idea waiting a bit. I am not in a huge hurry to upgrade.
 
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I doubt it is TSMC causing this - probably more the result of a lack of competition.

Why release new cards when you can just shift more and more 4890's?

Simple economics really.
 
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