Anyone here know about photocopiers?

jamoor · 21 Jul 2009 at 18:21

Anyone here an expert in photocopiers?

I am stuck between a few different brands of colour copiers, Canon, Konica, Sharp and panasonic.

I usually would go and find an active forum dedicated to photocopiers, but funnily enough one doesn't actually exist!

gumbald · 21 Jul 2009 at 18:22

You're looking for the safest brand for sitting on, right?

whitecrook · 21 Jul 2009 at 18:34

jamoor said:
Anyone here an expert in photocopiers?

I am stuck between a few different brands of colour copiers, Canon, Konica, Sharp and panasonic.

I usually would go and find an active forum dedicated to photocopiers, but funnily enough one doesn't actually exist!

Canon - Excellent image quality, medium build, lots of features (like bleed, yadda yadda) if you need to output proofs and stuff recommended.

Kyocera - Cheaper end of the market, the new models are supposed to be really good, especially compared to the previous colour ones, reasonable service costs etc. Same machines are often rebranded as UTAX and Copystar in diffferent markets.

Just noticed you said Konica, don't know about them much.

Sharp - don't know

Panasonic - Supposed to be awesome , built like tanks, easy to fix/repair/maintain, pricy, parts are expensive, loaded with features as well, but Canon probably still better feature wise.

Personally I'd go for Panasonic, had a few canons and never been that impressed. How are Xerox these days - I think they kinda suck in the last few years?

Obviously the contract you get with the thing will matter a lot, your volumes, and the type of thing you print.

There IS a good copier forum somewhere (US based) but dammned if I can find it..

edit Knew it - soon as I posted I found it : http://www.copytechnet.com/forums/

jamoor · 21 Jul 2009 at 18:42

whitecrook said:
Canon - Excellent image quality, medium build, lots of features (like bleed, yadda yadda) if you need to output proofs and stuff recommended.

Kyocera - Cheaper end of the market, the new models are supposed to be really good, especially compared to the previous colour ones, reasonable service costs etc. Same machines are often rebranded as UTAX and Copystar in diffferent markets.

Just noticed you said Konica, don't know about them much.

Sharp - don't know

Panasonic - Supposed to be awesome , built like tanks, easy to fix/repair/maintain, pricy, parts are expensive, loaded with features as well, but Canon probably still better feature wise.

Personally I'd go for Panasonic, had a few canons and never been that impressed. How are Xerox these days - I think they kinda suck in the last few years?

Obviously the contract you get with the thing will matter a lot, your volumes, and the type of thing you print.

There IS a good copier forum somewhere (US based) but dammned if I can find it..

edit Knew it - soon as I posted I found it : http://www.copytechnet.com/forums/

Thank you so much

The contracts etc are all pretty much the same, currently have a panasonic machine, but just want the best quality machine for the money.

whitecrook · 21 Jul 2009 at 18:51

jamoor said:
Thank you so much

The contracts etc are all pretty much the same, currently have a panasonic machine, but just want the best quality machine for the money.

if all the contracts are pretty much the same, then there is room for improvement...

jamoor · 21 Jul 2009 at 18:54

whitecrook said:
if all the contracts are pretty much the same, then there is room for improvement...

You mean pricewise?

SourChipmunk · 21 Jul 2009 at 18:54

I've found Xerox still makes the most reliable of all them, but I have no idea how the bang for the buck is.

whitecrook · 21 Jul 2009 at 19:02

if the contracts are pretty much the same, you say to one company - "this other company can give me the same as what you are offering me - what are you going to do to make me want to give my money to you?" And then they either give you something extra, or drop their prices... Do it with all the companies.

And depending on your volumes, for example, you may find that one contract is better for say <30,000 a month, and the other contract works out better if you print more than 30,000 etc etc.

jamoor · 21 Jul 2009 at 19:21

I don't really want to go for the cheapest though, hence the thread, I want the best value for money, if the Konica is 5% more but twice as good quality, why bother with the Pana?

whitecrook · 21 Jul 2009 at 19:24

You can often increase your VFM, by buying the same thing at a price which is less.

jamoor · 29 Jul 2009 at 16:23

Well, purely by printing quality alone on the quality of the items we sell
I rank them in the following order
1. Konica
2. Ricoh
3. Sharp
4. Canon
5. Panasonic

PhillyDee · 29 Jul 2009 at 16:24

jamoor said:
I don't really want to go for the cheapest though, hence the thread, I want the best value for money, if the Konica is 5% more but twice as good quality, why bother with the Pana?

Then you ring konica and tell them poana do it cheaper. Theres always wiggle room . . . .

jamoor · 29 Jul 2009 at 18:39

PhillyDee said:
Then you ring konica and tell them poana do it cheaper. Theres always wiggle room . . . .

Have tried that, unfortunatley they won't wiggle a whole £1,100.

PhillyDee · 30 Jul 2009 at 08:07

jamoor said:
Have tried that, unfortunatley they won't wiggle a whole £1,100.

Ah. Thats a BIG 5% . . . .

gt_junkie · 30 Jul 2009 at 08:34

Yeah, of the little experience i've had with copiers i've found Konica's pretty good.

gt

jamoor · 30 Jul 2009 at 09:15

PhillyDee said:
Ah. Thats a BIG 5% . . . .

jamoor said:
I don't really want to go for the cheapest though, hence the thread, I want the best value for money, if the Konica is 5% more but twice as good quality, why bother with the Pana?

Also a pretty big if in there.

john_s · 30 Jul 2009 at 10:06

We've got a Konica at work; decent quality, and had no trouble at all with it.

jamoor · 5 Aug 2009 at 22:16

I got a Ricoh MPC 2800 in the end.

Konica was too expensive.
Panasonic very surprisingly had the best picture quality!!
Ricoh was an excellnt comprimise.