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I think he should be banged up just for changing allegiancies ;)

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EpicCarnage said:
someone needs to set an example these guys are supposed to be role models
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Doesn't work like that :)

Become a high profile football, getting away with things comes with it.

Footballers are so far removed from "normal" everyday life that they have no idea what is really going on.
 
Have to agree there Tummy. Most scuffles in bars end up at the Crown Court, don't they?

Had this not been a footballer then it wouldn't have got anywhere near this.
 
BaZ87 said:
Have to agree there Tummy. Most scuffles in bars end up at the Crown Court, don't they?

Had this not been a footballer then it wouldn't have got anywhere near this.
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Footballers will always be role models for kids, if Gerrard doesn't want that he could always get a job in a factory or something.
 
Visionary said:
Footballers will always be role models for kids, if Gerrard doesn't want that he could always get a job in a factory or something.
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Where on earth has that come from? :confused:

Tummy's suggesting that because of who Gerrard is, he'll get let off lightly. That's quite clearly the opposite of what's happened. Far worse things happen countless times every night without any sort of charges let alone going to the crown court.
 
BaZ87 said:
Tummy's suggesting that because of who Gerrard is, he'll get let off lightly. That's quite clearly the opposite of what's happened. Far worse things happen countless times every night without any sort of charges let alone going to the crown court.
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They haven't come to a decision yet, the case it on going. He's not being charged one way or another. You can't say that he's received a overly heavy punishment.

"There can be no doubt that this refusal astounded Steven Gerrard. He walked away back to his party, but the CCTV evidence shows how much his mood had changed. He was no longer the centre of that high-spirited party.

"He was clearly walking round, pondering, musing over what had happened, about the man who said no to Steven Gerrard."
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From http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jul/21/steven-gerrard-court-trial

Backing up my thoughts, Gerrard didn't get his own way, must have come as a culture shock to him.
 
BaZ87 said:
Where on earth has that come from? :confused:

Tummy's suggesting that because of who Gerrard is, he'll get let off lightly. That's quite clearly the opposite of what's happened. Far worse things happen countless times every night without any sort of charges let alone going to the crown court.
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Eh? That's my point, this will go further than a normal night club fight because of Gerrard's position in society.

Which did you think I was trying to say?
 
Tummy said:
They haven't come to a decision yet, the case it on going. He's not being charged one way or another. You can't say that he's received a overly heavy punishment.



From http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jul/21/steven-gerrard-court-trial

Backing up my thoughts, Gerrard didn't get his own way, must have come as a culture shock to him.
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Without being rude; you really haven't got a clue, have you?

He's been charged with affray, it hasn't been determined whether he was guilty of it or not. As for those quotes; you just said that a verdict hasn't been given so how the **** are you so sure that the prosecution's version of events is true or not?

Visionary said:
Eh? That's my point, this will go further than a normal night club fight because of Gerrard's position in society.

Which did you think I was trying to say?
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I had no idea how that related to what I said. Gerrard (or anybody else in the spotlight) shouldn't be treated any different because of who they are.
 
I don't know where this idea that assault is never normally taken to court came from. It often is, when two drunks, who are often friends throw one punch at each other, get a bloody nose, get angry but they sober up and friends again, that normally turns into nothing.

When a group of people beat up a guy working, for no reason at all, all get involved, hurt him quite badly, it very very very very often ends up in charges, and charges normally mean court cases.

He'd be up for assault if the guy wasn't either one of two things, paid off, or utterly afraid of testifying and putting an idolised guy away while living around 10k's of liverpool fans any of which he could run into in a dark alley one night, maybe both.

He's up for affray because that group caused a massive amount of commotion which caused violence and harm to more than just one person.

As for comparing it to Barton, i'm unaware of the knife, gun, murder barton commited. He was drunk on two of the occasions, and on the last one simply considered he'd been disrespected by Dabo(exactly what got Gerrard all riled up) and attacked 3 people in 3 instances, unprovoked in a violent manner. Please explain to me how what Gerrard did was on a massively different scale or ball park to what Barton did on each SINGLE occasion? I think by the 2nd and 3rd time sentences should increase due to prior behaviour being taken into account.

But the offence was the same each time, assault, I would really love to know how punching someone repeatedly who did nothing to you, didn't start the fight and didn't even appear to be capable of fighting back is somehow better than what Barton did.

The very simple fact of the matter is if 5 normal thugs did this to a guy working as a DJ, they'd all be in court and ALL be up for charges of assault because the guy beaten up wouldn't be too scared to press charges. If he wasn't famous, he'd be looking at a really bad crime and a long jail term.
 
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BaZ87 said:
I had no idea how that related to what I said. Gerrard (or anybody else in the spotlight) shouldn't be treated any different because of who they are.
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Of course they should. It's more about what he does rather than who he is. There are plenty of people not being treated 'equally' in law, especially police officers, teachers etc.
 
Even if Gerrard actually believed he was the Promised Scousiah and this guy supposedly affronted His Most Divione Will, doesn't all that actually change is his place of incarceration, namely a looney bin?
 
drunkenmaster said:
Thats some selective reading you did then, as those lines are write next to each other in the line up.
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Guess it was! Completely missed it to be fair. Still wonder why Gerrard was being pulled away in a jumper and shirt, when the guy who was doing the punching was just wearing a white shirt or jacket. Doesnt seem to add up.
 
Burned_Alive said:
Guess it was! Completely missed it to be fair. Still wonder why Gerrard was being pulled away in a jumper and shirt, when the guy who was doing the punching was just wearing a white shirt or jacket. Doesnt seem to add up.
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its just club lighting, bright spotlights right over the bar is very usual, dimmer lighting elsewhere, plus they upped the contrast on the highlighted spot anyway to make it clearer, which slightly distorts the appearance of his top but it IS him.

Whats more, Gerrard, or one of the witness's will easily be able to say who it was on the video, and no one from Gerrards side has come out and made a statement the video is false. Considering you can, quite accurately guess that Gerrard has a team of the best lawyers in the country, against a pretty weak government funded prosecution, it wouldn't be hard for them to come out and do so.

They haven't which leads to the fairly inevitable conclusion that the person the articles and prosecution claim is Gerrard, is infact Gerrard, or someone would have said otherwise.

I mean its fairly simple, the worst lawyer in the country would immediately make a statement that the video is showing someone else, if the best in the country aren't, theres a VERY short list of possibilities why not.
 
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