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Drivers 'don't trust' road taxes
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Road tax should be spent on the roads. Any surplus should then be added to the public coffers.
Oh I 'trust' the road tax alright, I trust that I will have to pay ludicrous amounts of it (£405 pa now) and that my money will be wasted, along with everyone elses, by probably the most incompetent government this country has had in living memory.
£405 is really quite steep, but I wouldn't object quite so much if they actually spent it on making our roads the best damn roads in the world, as it happens, in Western Europe, I think only Belgium Portugal and the Republic of Ireland have worse roads than we do now.
£405 is really quite steep, but I wouldn't object quite so much if they actually spent it on making our roads the best damn roads in the world, as it happens, in Western Europe, I think only Belgium Portugal and the Republic of Ireland have worse roads than we do now.
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Well the roads are in the worst state i've ever seen them in, some sections of road are totally missing the top layer, others have huge potholes and ditches its like driving in russia or something!
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A Labour MP who speaks the truth. Blow me down.
Fuel duty is indeed the fairest way. The more you drive, the more you use the roads, the more you pay in tax to maintain them. The less efficient your car, the more damage you do to the environment, the more you have to fill up. Why on earth should someone who owns a Lamborghini have to pay road tax if they might only take it out once a week. It's a ridiculous tax, I like this woman. Now all she needs to do is backup the public on the fact speeding fines are getting out of control.
To be fair most A roads and Motorways are fine - it's the councils who are responsible for B roads and below and I know Vale Royal who are now Cheshire West or something only spent 1% of CT on roads, I wonder if speed cameras come out of that 1%.
lol the local council recently spent loads of money "regenerating" as they call it an area of road near me, basically they replaced most of the footpath tiles , stuck in some new seats and resurfaced half of the road WTF! half of the road! they didnt even do the whole length of the road aparently they spent 1million aswell.
it barely looks any different nothing at all like the before and after pictures we were sent everyone in the local area showing what it should be like
it barely looks any different nothing at all like the before and after pictures we were sent everyone in the local area showing what it should be like
Totally agree.
As do I. A large percentage of fuel costs is just tax. Perhaps a fairer system is to pay an annual tax which is based on the vehicles curb weight, which helps go toward road repairs and maintenence, while fuel duty keeps the green brigade happy, ensuring that the more you drive, the more you pay.
whats road tax?
It's called vehicle tax and is a general tax that goes into the big black waste pot.
Silly public for not understanding what it is.
Totally agree on tax on fuel. But then that would put loads of people out of jobs and we all know labour need vast amounts of public workers to keep unemployment artificially low.
It's called vehicle tax and is a general tax that goes into the big black waste pot.
Silly public for not understanding what it is.
Totally agree on tax on fuel. But then that would put loads of people out of jobs and we all know labour need vast amounts of public workers to keep unemployment artificially low.
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You mean, towards paying for MP's moat repairs and porn?
Of course they don't spend them on the transport system. Most of it subsidises the huge army of public workers Acidhell said about. The rest goes on the benefits system.
What really boils my wee is that the government had the gall to raise the road taxes and then try and say it's "to help the environment". Well here's a newsflash for you Gordon.
1) People know you couldn't care less about emissions, that it's really all about money.
2) Stop lying.
3) Global warming doesn't actually exist anyway. It's like taxing because we might get attacked by mutant seals.
What really boils my wee is that the government had the gall to raise the road taxes and then try and say it's "to help the environment". Well here's a newsflash for you Gordon.
1) People know you couldn't care less about emissions, that it's really all about money.
2) Stop lying.
3) Global warming doesn't actually exist anyway. It's like taxing because we might get attacked by mutant seals.
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It also doesn't help that coucils seem to misspend the money. Any council who spends money of traffic calming, red stripes or speed sensitive signage while also having a backlog of general repairs should be asked to explain them selves.
I've always felt road tax is highly flawed. I'd also be very interested to know how much car tax administration costs.
I've always felt road tax is highly flawed. I'd also be very interested to know how much car tax administration costs.
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Actually it's called vehicle excise duty.
It was originally brought in as road tax and argued that it would be used to maintain the roads, thus is seams reasonable, you own a car you contribute to the maintenance of the roads.
Then the requirement that it be spent on the roads disappeared and the tax was renamed to reflect it's status as basically an early stealth tax.
People have long memories
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Well lets face it, all the income from taxes goes into a pot, and then what is needed is paid out of that. It's not as if the road tax take should only be spent on roads, just like income tax is spread around.
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The whole environment thing is just an easy cop out for the government, if its such a big deal why do they all drive along in huge landrovers, it is just another way for them to get money out of us.
Im sure if someone actually bothered to sit down and work out just how much of the average workers wages went on tax of numerous forms it would be a shocking percentage.
Im sure if someone actually bothered to sit down and work out just how much of the average workers wages went on tax of numerous forms it would be a shocking percentage.
Really income tax (whether national, or a combination of national and local like the LibDems want) should be for the general services that everyone uses, or that serve everyone, such as the police and fire services, defence, nhs, footpaths etc. etc.)
National Insurance should either cover just benefits and pensions and not used to supplement income tax while you can still claim to have not raised income tax
If you then use additional optional services such as the roads then the funds should come out of those specific taxes. There should also be compulsory registration (including numberplates) and a very small road tax for cyclists as some of the money is spent on cycle lanes / paths these days.
The problem with this sort of scheme is that the true cost of public spending becomes transparent and we'll end up with 50%+ income tax as the basic rate, like in some European countries (a fact which fuel price protesters usually forget to mention)
That is a definite vote loser and it also doesn't help with the government's aims of getting people out of cars and into a form of transport that the government actually controls.
Also, I note that this study seems to have spent a lot of money to tell the government the bloody obvious.
National Insurance should either cover just benefits and pensions and not used to supplement income tax while you can still claim to have not raised income tax
If you then use additional optional services such as the roads then the funds should come out of those specific taxes. There should also be compulsory registration (including numberplates) and a very small road tax for cyclists as some of the money is spent on cycle lanes / paths these days.
The problem with this sort of scheme is that the true cost of public spending becomes transparent and we'll end up with 50%+ income tax as the basic rate, like in some European countries (a fact which fuel price protesters usually forget to mention)
That is a definite vote loser and it also doesn't help with the government's aims of getting people out of cars and into a form of transport that the government actually controls.
Also, I note that this study seems to have spent a lot of money to tell the government the bloody obvious.