Has anyone renovated a property before?

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Howdy :)

In my search as a first time buyer, I've come across a property I like that's currently just a shell. The wiring has been done, but the walls and floors are all completely bare, down to the old dodgy plaster work. There's no GCH, it's pretty much just the walls with plumbing and wiring :)

Has anyone taken on a project like this before? Any pitfalls I might not be aware of?
 
I've not taken on a project that big but did renovate the late flat I owned. What ultimately are you looking to do with the property? Live there for 5 - 10 years or flip it, do it up and sell it?
 
we intend to live there for at least five years :)

what did your flat renovation involve?
 
Please get some advise on how much it will cost to refurb; it never fails to surprise me how much people can under estimate the cost of materails and labour; but also time which ultimatly equates to cost.

Spons or BCIS will give you rates, although it will take some time to trawl through. I may be worth taking to a small architects or building surveying practice. 1/2 day of their time will cost, but at least you get some independant advice. They may also identify underlying issues with the structure / roof that may have missed.

If you are reasonably competent, building work is not that hard; depending upon just how dilapidated the property is (ok plastering is very hard and I have never mastered it !!!). You also need to think about Building Control and items like wiring / gas must be certified.
 
New kitchen, bathroom, carpets and paint. Not as much as what you have to do but I made a few pounds out of it. :). I did it pretty much as cheap as I could as I was only ever going to be there for a few years.

How handy are you? I (well my dad) managed to do everything ourselves with the exception of a new water tank system. If you can do most of it yourself and get a good price you could make a bit of cash out of it. :)
 
Please get some advise on how much it will cost to refurb..
items like wiring / gas must be certified.

I'll be researching the costing quite extensively before we think about putting in an offer. The owner says they can provide certification for the electrics and gas :)

I'd use contractors to do the plastering and GCH, and quite possibly to install the kitchen if my research shows it's not something I can do myself.

The roofing and damp coursing look fine - but the serveyor will be able to confirm :)
 
I just bought a Shell Which I plan to do up, I cant really offer any advice as I have not started work yet, but have a look at www.ebuild.co.uk

this is as it is now
Kitchen
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab283/nastytooth/P1010496.jpg
bedroom 3
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab283/nastytooth/P1010492.jpg

Its in this building
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab283/nastytooth/P1000032.jpg

as you can see there is a lot of work to be done :D
I would recommend installing an air exchange system which should keep the house feeling fresh and clean all year. They run at around 95% efficiency so you will not loose too much heat but you will never need to open a window.

If your going to be looking at installing a home automation system take a look at Hal2000 and Control4.
 
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£150-200 per sq ft to 'do it up'

:eek: Building a house from scratch in 2008 the cost per square foot was £90 and for a top end luxury house it was only £140

£150 to £200 per square foot to renovate is ridiculous unless you are going for top end luxury building products and even then I doubt I could spend that much. Ours only cost £25 per sq foot and would have only cost £50 if I had done nothing myself.

I have renovated my last two houses which were both totally gut jobs including new wiring, plumbing, plaster, central heating, new windows and doors all round, damp proofing and the last one even included a new roof.:eek: (it had large holes in it and the floor in the spare bedroom had rotted away.

The current one I am living in which included a new roof (cost £10k alone) came in at £45k and its a 4 bedroom, two reception room, 3 bathroom house with stables and workshop.

However, I have done as much of the work as I could and only used the following external trades:

1 Roofer
2. Plasterer
3. Electrician
4. A self employed builder to rebuild one wall of the house (collapsing), repoint the entire house and help me out occasionally on jobs like new window openings.

I can give the following advice:

1. Pay for a proper suveyors full report, its worth the money. In our case it even came with a total estimated cost of renovation of £90k if you were using outside contractors for everything. It gives you a nice long list of all the things you need to do.
2. For any work you not doing yourself, get at least 3 quotes preferably from recommended contractors. Don't always choose the cheapest as there may be good reason why they are cheap.
3. Supply materials yourself where you can as the contractor will only put mark up on.
4. Do as much of it yourself as you can. It saves a fortune even if you are slow. For example all the concrete floors needed digging up in our house and replacing to current building regs. That is just basic labouring but a building firm would still charge you £25 per hour for the work. Over 12 weekends I was done after removing 100m3 of concrete, rubble and soil and replacing with hardcore, damp proof membrane, insulation and new concrete.
5. Get as much building stuff that you need from the likes of Ebay, local papers, auctions etc. This works better the longer time you have to find the stuff. For example the wall and loft insulation cost £10 per roll from ebay but £27 from the builders merchant (120 rolls required in our build so £2000 saved). The travertine mosaic tiles used in the wetroom bathroom cost only £20 per sq m, yet cost a minimum of £90 per sq m from tiling shops. The designer shower head was £120 compared to £499 from bathroom outlets etc.
5. Once you price everything up add 20% to your budget. Trust me there will always be things which go wrong/unexpected and adds to the budget.

Its hard work but you will look back when its finished with satisfaction and enjoy your house more.
 
Nice post.

How much would they a surveyors report cost?

My budget is 30 per sq ft which I am told should be enough.

Depends really, they vary. Ours was £565 plus VAT (just checked it) but its a big property. For that I got 27 pages of all the work I needed to do and there were some things that I had missed when assessing the property myself which was helpful.

Of course, if you haven't bought the property yet, the report can be used for your mortgage company valuation/survey which saves money.

£30 is more than acheivable depending on how much "labouring" you plan to do yourself. As for ours costing £25 per sq foot that is based on downstairs surface area only. If you include the upstairs then it was only £12.50 and should have only cost £25 using contractors.

For example, I bought a sds hammer drill and chiselled all the old plaster off myself and wheelbarrowed it all out. I also put up all the new plasterboard myself but paid for a quality plasterer to do the new plaster finish (labour only, I bought the plaster). It's a skilled job which takes years to perfect.

One other tip, open trade accounts with discount at your local building merchants. They will let you if you are renovating.

One last tip, build a good relationship with you building inspector. It pays dividends. Do what he says unless you are 110% certain he is wrong (he was with our drains and he backed down but I had worked with him for 18 months by then and he knew I was doing things properly and a good job. Don;t be afraid to ask advice from him.
 
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I just bought a Shell Which I plan to do up

That looks awesome, best of luck with it :)

I have renovated my last two houses which were both totally gut jobs

Great post, cheers:)

We'll be getting the full suerveyance, and if that includes an estimated costing that'd be fantastic. I've already started working out a budget, but having something to compare it with would help greatly.
 
Another thing spend £19.95 on this

http://www.housebuildersbible.co.uk/

I've had two editions now. It's fantastic, full of very very good advice, gives you costs on everything based on cheap, normal, luxury.

It really allows you to put a budget together plus has lots of do's and don't and explains the differences and choices involved.
 
That looks awesome, best of luck with it :)

Thanks


Depends really, they vary. Ours was £565 plus VAT (just checked it) but its a big property. For that I got 27 pages of all the work I needed to do and there were some things that I had missed when assessing the property myself which was helpful.

Of course, if you haven't bought the property yet, the report can be used for your mortgage company valuation/survey which saves money.

£30 is more than acheivable depending on how much "labouring" you plan to do yourself. As for ours costing £25 per sq foot that is based on downstairs surface area only. If you include the upstairs then it was only £12.50 and should have only cost £25 using contractors.

For example, I bought a sds hammer drill and chiselled all the old plaster off myself and wheelbarrowed it all out. I also put up all the new plasterboard myself but paid for a quality plasterer to do the new plaster finish (labour only, I bought the plaster). It's a skilled job which takes years to perfect.

One other tip, open trade accounts with discount at your local building merchants. They will let you if you are renovating.

One last tip, build a good relationship with you building inspector. It pays dividends. Do what he says unless you are 110% certain he is wrong (he was with our drains and he backed down but I had worked with him for 18 months by then and he knew I was doing things properly and a good job. Don;t be afraid to ask advice from him.

We will not be able to do any work our self as I just do not have the skill or time (also have back problems so i cant lift anything over 20kg)

If it comes down to it and we run out of money I am happy to live with just one bathroom and a makeshift kitchen until we can afford a proper one in a year or 2.

This is planed layout, we have since made a few changes but nothing huge.
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab283/nastytooth/ph.jpg

Im also going to try and get the stuff as cheap as I can online which I hope will save me some cash.
 
Get a full survey to make sure it isn't subsiding also get the surveyor to make sure the building has a damp proof course if the building is old other wise you will have problems with rising damp affecting any new plaster ect.
 
Get a full survey to make sure it isn't subsiding also get the surveyor to make sure the building has a damp proof course if the building is old other wise you will have problems with rising damp affecting any new plaster ect.

Not quite true. The lack of a damp proof course doesn;t mean it's a no go or that you will have problems. A lot depends on the materials/age.

Our house is 300 years old and made from stone hence no damp proof course. However, we have drilled the stones and injected under high pressure the damp proof stuff and it is fine.

Most houses can be damp proofed by injection so worth knowing but only so you can include the cost.
 
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