Declassified files on the Russian Navy's encounters with UFOs (Magik is not my alt!)

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UFOs 'Prefer Water' For Close Encounters

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A number of incidents were reported at Lake Baikal, the deepest lake in the world, including powerful lights and objects coming out from the water, Russia Today said.

In one case in 1982, military divers training at the lake said they spotted a group of humanoid creatures dressed in silver suits at a depth of 50 metres.

They tried to catch the visitors but three of the seven men died in the process, while four others were severely injured in the incident, according to the records.

On another occasion, a nuclear submarine on a combat mission in the Pacific Ocean detected six unknown objects.

The captain of the vessel ordered the crew to bring it to the surface after failing to shake off the pursuers.

The objects followed them up before flying away into the sky, the newly published files claimed.

Further mysterious events happened in the Bermuda Triangle area, including instruments on ships and submarines breaking down for no apparent reason.

Former navy officer Rear Admiral Yury Beketov said deliberate disruption from UFOs, which were detected "moving at incredible speed", could have been to blame.

He said: "It was like the objects defied the laws of physics. There's only one explanation: the creatures who built them far surpass us in development."

The records, which date back to Soviet times, were compiled by a special navy group tasked with collecting reports of unexplained incidents from submarines and military ships.
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Interesting stuff, more so that they're official documentation and logs instead of eye witness accounts.

How likely is it that these were secret military crafts back from Soviet times?

Too many questions not enough answers...yet :p
 
How much is true and how much is not we will likely never know.

My own opinion is that the universe, even out galaxy, is too vast to assume that we are alone.

Traversing interstellar distances though ....... I'm not so sure it can be done. Travelling at the speed of light, impossible if you believe Einstein, still means a journey time of 3.5 years to reach the nearest star to our own.

Travelling 20-30-500 light years ..... I just can't grasp it.
 
But what about wormholes! they provide a suitable solution of such great traveling distances - well going by what is lightly understood about them anyway :p

Also what is the possibility of "them" (if they are out of this world) being much closer than we think? I mean if they're so advanced it's possible they're just avoiding us and merely observing, no? I'd have thought this would be very possible for an advanced civilisation but of course not 100% foolproof from being spotted here and there?
 
Von Smallhausen said:
Traversing interstellar distances though ....... I'm not so sure it can be done. Travelling at the speed of light, impossible if you believe Einstein, still means a journey time of 3.5 years to reach the nearest star to our own.
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I'm not wanting to bait any physicists here as my knowledge is incredibly limited on this subject but...

Why believe Einstein? Some of his work was incredible, but he was never able to unify General Relativity with Quantum Theory...they still haven't yet, who knows what current secrets could be unlocked when that occurs.

We are still at such an early stage in our scientific development who knows where we will be in 500 years. Look back 500 years to see how far we have advanced now, the pace of change is incredible, it's just a shame we won't be around to see it.

Just because we don't know how to do it now, or even envision it doesn't mean it can't be done.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
Traversing interstellar distances though ....... I'm not so sure it can be done.
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I used to think that as well, but recently I've come to see that as just another extension of the egotism that keeps some people claiming we are alone in the universe.
I'm sure that whatever is out there is so unimaginably different from what we could conceive, that our rules and laws for science as we understand it would not apply. For all we know there are sentient beings made only of energy (or a super intelligent shade of the colour blue) that could travel the universe using a dimension we can't conceive of, instantly. When thinking about things like this you have to put to one side everything we think we know about how space and time work, which is what makes it totally impossible to predict these things.
People seem to think that 'aliens' are coming to us in some sort of spaceship, with conventional propulsion travelling in conventional space, why? We only think that because that's familiar to us and we project that onto the unknown.

(although I don't believe in UFO's, or that we have been visited by anything non-terrestrial)
 
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Von Smallhausen said:
Traversing interstellar distances though ....... I'm not so sure it can be done.
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Of course not. A thousand years ago we had no idea how to fly; how to communicate with people on the other side of the world in an instant; how to walk on other planets.

Give it another thousand years and it's possible we'll have worked it out... and it seems some cultures already have.
 
so some news source is quoting another news source stating that some papers (which haven't been provided) apparently, in summary, say xyz....

In one case in 1982, military divers training at the lake said they spotted a group of humanoid creatures dressed in silver suits at a depth of 50 metres.

They tried to catch the visitors but three of the seven men died in the process, while four others were severely injured in the incident, according to the records.
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That is a pretty huge claim to make - Have they substantiated that claim, have they named these frogmen who apparently died....

Frankly is seems like complete BS at the moment.
 
Perhaps it is just me but interstellar travel is such a gulf from conventional space travel that I find it hard to believe such technology is widespread.

Do I believe that interstellar travel will be mastered by humanity in a thousand years ? No I don't but I am no physicist and I hope I am wrong.
 
dowie said:
That is a pretty huge claim to make - Have they substantiated that claim, have they named these frogmen who apparently died....
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How do we know it's actually you who came up with this post? Do you have a right to use the computer you're on? Did you buy it legally, and if so, can you provide proof? Maybe we should contact the supposed retailer of your components to verify any authenticity.

The bottom line is that you could pick holes in any news story if you wanted to. The fact that this one is more bizarre makes it harder to believe for the majority of people, but then it's unlikely Gordon Brown is going to hold a press conference in the near future confirming the existence of aliens. Why? For two reasons - 1] loads of people would still disbelieve it and 2] loads more people would be scared out of their minds. It would be pointless. So even if the Russian news articles cited interviews, photos, video footage etc etc people would still scream 'fake'; if several alien starships landed in peoples' back gardens they would say it was 'the military' because their psychological defence mechanisms would kick in, comforting them with ideas of "it's not real, it's impossible", forcing them to come up with a ludicrous but seemingly sensible explanation.

For me, the premise that alien life exists is an extremely real possibility. And the premise that some of them have evolved faster - and have a far more developed knowledge of science - is equally possible. If NASA had developed interstellar craft, you think that they'd hold back from visiting planets outside the solar system? Of course not. It's likely only a matter of time, anyway.
 
I think travel within our own Milky Way galaxy will be more than possible before the next millennium. At the current rate of technological advancement and the possibility of quantum computing getting closer and closer it's only a matter of time.

Once such technology is widespread and in the hands of clever individuals that think up ideas on their own it's going to open up new things even quicker still.

I feel the limiting factor today is the lack of horse power to process the raw information we want to crunch and simulate solutions with. once that boundary is no longer an issue (quantum computing) then the rate of development would increase even faster than it already is, no?
 
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