VW Golf Mk6 GTD - opinions?
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This thread has made me laugh, Robbie G should consider going on stage his views would get many many smiles.....
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There are also reports on the web saying that the X type doubled its sales with the addition of a diesel engine.
Anyway im not arguing with you, im just saying that the X type wasnt the total disaster some would portray it as.
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The fact that everyone's doing a similar thing yet Jaguar are failing and VAG etc. are not, should tell you that brand conveyance is more important that the behind-the-scene facts of what goes on in the production and purchasing departments of these car companies.
In my mind's eye, Audi holds more prestige than BMW and your part-sharing argument is entirely defunct as BMW do exactly the same thing.
Everyone shares parts, it's how the marketing and conveying of the brand image is achieved that matters. Jaguar failed in this, Audi and BMW didn't. That's all that your Time quote serves to highlight.
Those young Jaguar buyers went off and bought an Audi or potentially a Bimmer because Audi and BMW have done a better job of conveying the image, not because the car part sharing was more acceptable.
If VAG suddenly ditched their subsidiary brands and called all their cars VAG x, VAG y, etc., they would be in the same situation as BMW in terms of it suddenly becoming acceptable to share parts just because they're now all branded the same. Whether parts are being shared between entirely different marques or just different models is an entirely arbitrary comparison and does not hold any weight in a sensible comparison of prestige.
Jaguar are not relevant as they tried to turn a luxury English brand into an American Mondeo. Audi have done no such thing.
I'm glad that my views amuse. Potentially you would add more to the discussion by airing your own rather than trying to pimp my stand up comedy abilities.
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VAG aint going under / failing because its an investment company with a car maker attached to it, not the other way round.
No you are correct it was in fact Jags best selling car.
I was merely using it to show what perception about where car bits had come from can affect a cars perception to the public.
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Right so the car sector of VAG is loss-making? Have you seen the motor sector results for VAG group? And clearly I was referring to the motor business sector not the finance sector.
Why on earth would you bring up VAG's financial services sector in a discussion about the car sector?
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Is that not almost the whole point of this sector though? They arent designed to be awesome or groundbreaking, they are meant to be reliable functional tools.
You could say a good car is a car that meets the expectations of its sector - a 5 series that you can park in a tiny parking space is bound to be crap for example, but it would be a positive point in a little city runabout. If you go by that thinking then there are several very good cars in the sector
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But everyone knows that all anyone ever wants is a that car is exciting, ground breaking, or interesting rather than practical, useful, or suitable for purpose. I think it's also true to say that a car can only be fun, inspiring, or indeed any good if it has a 3 litre V6 petrol engine or larger.
There's no way of measuring prestigiousnesslessness so it's a fairly pointless argument - its a matter of perception.
IMO Ford is more prestigious than Bentley.
Don't be silly Robbie it must have a straight 6
You're joking aren't you?
In this thread he basically said (to paraphrase) "The golf isn't very good, but everything else is worse so buy the golf"
ie. DISMISSING all the cars in a particular class as not very good.
Do you honestly thnk that there's no difference in quality of mainstream manufacturers?
Take it from me. There is. In thelast 5 years Ive owned cars from BMW, Porsche, Audi , VW, Saab, Renault and Vauxhall. I can say categorically that there is isa difference in quality and a difference in the perception of that quality. It just so happens that the perception doesn't always match the reality.
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By forming an opinion and voicing it. How can anyone say BMW and Audi are virtually the same? Audis are far nicer cars.
I thought I'd sent it off topic, but this is just getting silly.This thread is totally and utterly, 100% off topic now
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Well no, I didnt buy one because I didn't want a front wheel drive hatchback with a 4 cylinder engine. It could have had a BMW badge on the front and I'd still not have bought it because it's not my personal preference. But my personal preference is irrelevent in this thread.
As much as you'd like to beleive it, there is a tad more between your regular Golf and a GTI than just the 0-60 time.
Exactly - and the OP is a Focus ST driver. A hot hatchback. Designed to thrill AND be practical. Therefore my opinion, aimed at his position, was that none of the diesel hatchbacks are going to be that great. This is true - he even agreed to me.