Move over Burns - haggis is English, historian claims

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Haggis is English, historian says

Catherine Brown says the first Scottish references to haggis came in 1747

A haggis recipe was published in an English book almost two hundred years before any evidence of the dish in Scotland, a historian has claimed.

Historian Catherine Brown said she found references to the dish inside a 1615 book called The English Hus-Wife.

The title would pre-date Robert Burns' poem To A Haggis, which brought fame to the delicacy, by at least 171 years.

But former world champion haggis maker Robert Patrick insisted: "Nobody's going to believe it."

'Popular in England'

Ms Brown said the book by Gervase Markham indicated haggis was first eaten in England and subsequently popularised by the Scots.

The first mention she could find of Scottish haggis was in 1747.

Anything that's to do with Scotland, everybody wants to get a part of
Robert Patrick
Haggis maker

Ms Brown told the BBC the author made it quite clear haggis was enjoyed by everyone, not just Scots.

She said: "It was popular in England until the middle of the 18th Century. Whatever happened in that period, the English decided they didn't like it and the Scots decided they did.

"We had Robert Burns come along who saw in it a very practical dish using up the odds and ends and making something good out of them.

"Obviously the English turned up their noses at it and ate their roast beef, and the Scots for 350 years have been making it their own."

Her findings are due to be broadcast in a documentary on STV in Scotland.

'Scottish product'

Mr Patrick said the idea haggis originated in England was akin to claims by the Dutch and Chinese to have invented golf.

He added: "Anything that's to do with Scotland, everybody wants to get a part of.



"We've nurtured the thing for all these years, we've developed it, so I think very much it is a Scottish product.

"It's one of the mainstays of my business's economy so we'd never give it up."

James Macsween, whose Edinburgh-based company makes haggis, said it would remain a Scottish icon whatever its origin.

He said even if the haggis was eaten in England long before Burns made it famous, Scotland had done a better job of looking after it.

And he added: "I didn't hear of Shakespeare writing a poem about it.

Holy over reaction batman. No ones saying give it up. It's not suddenly going to become an English Icon s it.
Don't know why I found this article quite funny and can just picture a clan of Scottish in skirts protesting.

:D

Will it turn into the big Tikka Masala feud.
 
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Holy over reaction batman. No ones saying give it up. It's not suddenly going to become an English Icon s it.
Don't know why I found this article quite funny and can just picture a clan of Scottish in skirts protesting.

:D

Will it turn into the big Tikka Masala feud.

Funny I wondered the same thing, but on the exact opposite side. As for the reactions, well they interviewed a haggis businessman. Its tongue in cheek and quite apt in my opinion, true or not he raises valid points about the current status of haggis. No doubt he'd have something to say. No one else up here gives a toot.

Just like kilts and bagpipes being Indian, and all the other claims by single or small groups of historians.

I don't think anyone up here would protest, Scotland is pretty synonymous with haggis. I doubt this will bring about a Stewart revolution..
 
Look at the Italians and pasta, everyone knows the Chinese invented pasta but it's still considered to be an Italian food.
 
"I think you'll find we invented the sackful of offal."

People take pride in some strange things.
 
It's the same trait as a lot of people from Scotland, Wales and Ireland. They latch on to the most insignificant of items that they label as their own and then go on and on about them. They then somehow fail to see that most other things that they use/eat are from England (including the language that most them choose to use.) What is the current exchange rate of the scotish pound? last time I looked it was 1:1.0000 ?
 
At least we dont do Morris Dancing, we may wear skirts but we dont prance about with tissues and bells :)

I am not usually a fan of these threads because it usually spawns English ****s coming in and causing trouble.
 
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It's the same trait as a lot of people from Scotland, Wales and Ireland. They latch on to the most insignificant of items that they label as their own and then go on and on about them. They then somehow fail to see that most other things that they use/eat are from England (including the language that most them choose to use.) What is the current exchange rate of the scotish pound? last time I looked it was 1:1.0000 ?
lol :rolleyes:

Its just because people are proud of their countries.

Also, pound coins in scotland are the same as pound coins in england. Only the notes differ as they are printed by different banks.
 
lol :rolleyes:

Its just because people are proud of their countries.

Also, pound coins in scotland are the same as pound coins in england. Only the notes differ as they are printed by different banks.

Sssh, leave him be, he was quoting Michael McIntyre in hopes of being witty.

Of course latching onto something insignificant is something everyone BUT the English do. They wouldnt keep bringing things up like World Cup wins 40+ years ago, right?
 
Never tried it, but I'm not sure I want to.

I had to laugh at the newsreporter making it sound as horrible as possible when she was interviewing Hardeep Singh Kohli on BBC tonight. He actually mentioned how so biased she was against it lol
 
[DOD]Asprilla;14607108 said:
Looks and tastes like spicy mince. When mixed with mashed potato, turnip and gravy it rocks.

And HP brown sauce.

Or in a thin filo pastry with a whisky sauce.

Or under a steak/chicken with whisky sauce.

*drools*
 
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