mondeo st tdci has went again....

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right as some of u may be aware the flywheel went in it and had to replace that and the clutch about a month ago and cost a lot of money..

was driving along to newcastle the other day it cut out and wouldnt start engine management light on had to get it towed to garage..

just had it linked up on the coputer and its the high pressure fuel pump that bolts on to the engine.. so loooks like it needs one of them now!
any ideas on how much its going to cost me ?
 
I don't know how much it'll cost but it might be worth considering to get the belts and tensioners replaced whilst the mechanic is down there. Those parts wouldn't cost much and it wouldn't/shouldn't add anything significant to the labour charge. :)
 
If go through Ford, a replacement pump and lines is about £900......

Not sure if you can get a reconditioned pump fitted and then somehow get Ford to code it to the engine.

Bloody expensive these TDCIs. DMFs, injectors, pumps etc.
 
iaind - aren't you the guy who's always going on about how overblown the stories are of injector/pump/DMF/EGR failure?

You wouldn't also happen to have an 'ultra reliable' Alfa Romeo as a second car would you? ;)
 
Hardly always going on - just saying that they're overstated.

The OP has his remapped and drives it hard - just the sort of thing thats a recipe for disaster with these things, when his DMF went I told him it was a bad idea.

My last car was a 156 actually - thats the definition of an unreliable car!
 
excuse me but i dont know a lot about car to be honest but how does DMF break? thought they'd be solid and heavy material, nothing to break?

never mind: just found this

fully understand now
 
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They are a solid lump of metal but think of the forces they are subjected to, especially under erratic/hard driving.

I cant remember what exactly breaks, but it results in the rivets wearing down and debris going everywhere. Its not a ford only issue by any means, although the mondeo tdcis do seem to have developed more of a habbit than most.
 
My advice would be do not replace the fuel pump at your own cost without having the diagnosis confirmed by a Delphi approved service centre.

These pumps are actually very reliable and very seldom require require full replacement. There are some replaceable parts on the pump, most notably the metering valve which are available to Delphi centres at relatively low cost. General garages won't undertake this work and will just swap the pump as they have no means of testing them.

It's even more rare for a pump to just give up whilst you're driving without some sort of prior warning. The pump itself is fairly simple, albeit operating at high pressure, but if its failed catastrophically chances are it'll have contaminated the rest of the fuel system with metal. That means new injectors, pipes and washing out the fuel tank.

This sounds more like an electrical problem, for example a fault code for insufficient fuel pressure is more likely to be the rail pressure sensor or metering valve than the pump itself.
 
blueboy2001 said:
My advice would be do not replace the fuel pump at your own cost without having the diagnosis confirmed by a Delphi approved service centre.

These pumps are actually very reliable and very seldom require require full replacement. There are some replaceable parts on the pump, most notably the metering valve which are available to Delphi centres at relatively low cost. General garages won't undertake this work and will just swap the pump as they have no means of testing them.

It's even more rare for a pump to just give up whilst you're driving without some sort of prior warning. The pump itself is fairly simple, albeit operating at high pressure, but if its failed catastrophically chances are it'll have contaminated the rest of the fuel system with metal. That means new injectors, pipes and washing out the fuel tank.

This sounds more like an electrical problem, for example a fault code for insufficient fuel pressure is more likely to be the rail pressure sensor or metering valve than the pump itself.
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Listen to this advice, it is spot on. Dependent on DTCs it may well also be an injector at fault. On a final note, the pump does not need coding to the engine/DCU in any way, shape or form.
 
i have never known a full common rail pump to fail by itself, normally its due to exposure to petrol once and then the pump fails a few months later.
 
Agreed, I've never heard of a pump failing - injectors yes but not the pump.

I know you didnt listen to me last time and overpaid for your DMF replacement, but if it does turn out to be the injectors then you can get them for about £300 for a whole set of 4 and its an hour's labour to fit and code them
 
dalin80 said:
i have never known a full common rail pump to fail by itself, normally its due to exposure to petrol once and then the pump fails a few months later.
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Really? I can cite you many cases of hp fuel pump failures on BMW N47 engines especially in MGR disguise.

A lot of the time the pumps can be reconditioned and cost half the price of a new one.
 
I just realised nobody has made the obvious joke in this thread, so better late than never.

mondeo st tdci has went again....
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Did you accidentally the whole thing? :D

I'll get my coat
 
I'd be suprised if he listens to the advice in this thread anyway - in previous threads I told him where he can get the DMF done for £650 and he paid more than double that for a bodge job. Also told him he was on borrowed time with the injectors and here we are.

Wont be suprised if he ends up paying 4 figures to fix it again, despite my advice above that it can be done for sub 400
 
blueboy2001 said:
My advice would be do not replace the fuel pump at your own cost without having the diagnosis confirmed by a Delphi approved service centre.

These pumps are actually very reliable and very seldom require require full replacement. There are some replaceable parts on the pump, most notably the metering valve which are available to Delphi centres at relatively low cost. General garages won't undertake this work and will just swap the pump as they have no means of testing them.

It's even more rare for a pump to just give up whilst you're driving without some sort of prior warning. The pump itself is fairly simple, albeit operating at high pressure, but if its failed catastrophically chances are it'll have contaminated the rest of the fuel system with metal. That means new injectors, pipes and washing out the fuel tank.

FIP on CM engines do have an habit of just going I have seen it plenty of times, A good way to test the FIP when off its to rotate it manually, if it starts easy then goes very stiff, chances are the fip is mechanically working, if it just stays lose on a full turn the chances are it's gone,

The, DMF go as basically they are shuck to bits by the engine to keep the vibration down from the engine, hard driving does tend to ruined them, but driving in higher gears most of the time and not pulling off with no revs does help them.


This sounds more like an electrical problem, for example a fault code for insufficient fuel pressure is more likely to be the rail pressure sensor or metering valve than the pump itself.
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FIP on CM engines do have an habit of just going I have seen it plenty of times, A good way to test the FIP when off its to rotate it manually, if it starts easy then goes very stiff, chances are the fip is mechanically working, if it just stays lose on a full turn the chances are it's gone,

The, DMF go as basically they are shuck to bits by the engine to keep the vibration down from the engine, hard driving does tend to ruined them, but driving in higher gears most of the time and not pulling off with no revs does help them.
 
oh it is the pump and priced one up and they are saying £540+ vat for the pump
oh iaind what u mean advice from before?? according to few people i didnt pay that bad ...
 
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