Panorama - The Truth About Happy Hour

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Did anyone else catch this? I'm ashamed to say I'm from the hell hole that is Oldham and believe me, non of the facts stated were wrong, in fact I reckon a LOT more fights and such go on every weekend on Yorkshire St than the reported figures. It's a horrible place to go out, I'd much rather spend a lot more getting to Manchester and back and having to pay more when I'm out than be around the type of people that go out there.

There's literally nowhere nice in Oldham centre to go, except maybe the few small rock venues like Whittles and The Castle.

In summary, I wouldn't ever recommend going on a night out here, stay away lol.
 
Missed it. however I don't see the problem with happy hour or cheap drinks. However we do need much stricter laws. It is the same people week in, week out who cause the problem. The vast majority can go out and get drunk without starting fights.
 
No amount of legislation or schemes will stop people behaving this way.

The simple fact remains that our society has developed a dependant culture on alcohol due to there being very little other opportunity for society to integrate; we have no town-halls for example and neighbours rarely speak to one another - it is the curse of modern urban sprawls. Couple this absolute 'need' to socialise, with the issues of finding a partner (and the bravado and therefore violence it will inevitably cause); it literally becomes a lifestyle.

The absolute problem however, exists with the individualistic selfishness which pervades our daily lives. People simply will not take responsibility for their own actions anymore. How many people screaming and fighting would be just as quick to claim that they are responsible adults and not acting like a spoilt, misbehaving child?

Going 'out' is about socialising, having fun and to many: getting their end away. Alcohol merely complicates this quagmire, so addressing it in a totalitarian manner will not solve it; the issue lies much deeper at a cultural and social level.

People need to grow up and take responsibility for their own actions. People need to recognise that society does exist and they are not the most important fish in the sea - they are just another fish, nothing more. How many people here for example, find it incredibly easy to avoid violence, arguments and generally acting like a complete idiot when they choose to go out? It's one thing to let your hair down, and another to start scuffling inside a club because someone's eyeing the same bird as you. It's pathetic: grow up.

Police presence is completely irrelevent when the same people will inevitabley be acting up again the following weekend or perhaps many months later when an arrest seems a distant memory. As far as legislation goes, we need to actually come down harder on violent drunks; it is not hard to behave when you're drunk. That said, emotions that come out whilst drunk are always bubbling away under the surface daily, so those who do look for trouble are probably leading very poor lives. However, that doesn't give them the right to smash someone's face with a bottle simply because they want to prove that they're 'harder' and more worthy of sex to that blonde bint in a miniskirt with fag in hand who's complaining about breaking her damn nail. The consequences of people acting like idiots need to and can easily be addressed. This of course, doesn't necessarily always mean jail-time: community work and schemes (such as talking to professionals or victims of their actions) to make individuals realise that they are not the centre of the universe will perhaps go a long way to help.

I understand that sometimes people have problems in their life which will cause them to behave in a non-conformist, unaltruistic, and selfish way - some people may take drugs to try and escape their problems - but part of being a functional adult is learning to deal with these issues both productively and safely. Society could go a very long way to introducing more support for people when they need it. Issues of mental health for example, are still very difficult to deal with and due to their nature often leave an individual feeling peverse and highly isolated. Society needs to have a structure in place whereby it seeks out such individuals and gives them the help they need while they are still personally in a position to not be dependant on such help. Indeed, society also needs to learn to overcome its fear of helping itself. Too often (I'm guilty of this too) we avoid uncomfortable situations which we could perhaps have helped make the world of difference. Sometimes, a complete stranger simply giving a toss can be the most profound thing.

That said, many of the people (from my experience) who are predisposed to violent encounters on a casual night-out tend to be from a popular sub-culture which tends to glamourise wealth, strength and 'respect'. Basically, they're idiots because they cannot or will not see beyond their own little circle of friends. They need a kick up the backside to snap out of it and society instead of promoting it, needs to actually look down on it.

We are not cavemen anymore: we have brains and the consciousness to rise above it. It is simply at the end of the day about choice and strength of character. Perhaps we need to go back to children at primary school and thoroughly drum the lesson into them: you are as an adult by and large who you choose to be. I don't cause violence or harm those around me, I'm considerate of others because that is who I have chosen to be; it's that simple.
 
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i love oldham:) but the people:/ dear god. its full of degenerates, townies, chavs, basically idiots spoiling to Kick Off with the nearest person they can find.

i always thought you'd get more troubles in rochdale but what do you ken?
 
I think 'drink as much as you like' is a bad idea as I am sure most people will try and get thier monies worth, who's overeaten at 'all you can eats' before?

I don't think happy hour is much of an issue though, getting two drinks for the price of one. Just half with a friend or drink one and then the other, some people lack self control too much which will always wind up in the gutter at 4am. :)

I'm gunna iPlay this too.
 
Having so many bars in one area was always going to cause trouble even with the special promotions. I liked how the club owners kept saying it wasn't their fault since everyone else was charging so little for drinks, especially with the competition from supermarkets.

It seems that the only solution will be to raise the minimum price of alcohol due to the attitude of the minority of drinkers who cause trouble.
 
Personally, I think the age limit should be removed. Delaying what people want to do anyway until an arbitrary limit only means they go mental on it when they are finally allowed to. The number of teenagers (myself included, when I was that age) who are near or just over the legal drinking age tend to go bananas over this new "treat" they can now get their hands on, and take it at their own liberty with little respect for anything else.

Or just ban it all together. I lived with an alcoholic for 2 years and am put off drinking until further notice :p

I've also never understood the mentality of "OH MATE I WAS SRSLY MUNTED LAST N8, IT WUZ WIKID! :D:D:D:D" when it should be "I can't remember anything, I got beat up, ruined my cothing, lost/needlessly spent too much money, threw up, etc"

Maybe it's like when a child imitates their parent's actions.. they think they are grown up or something just because they get drunk?
 
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Your points are all good Jestar but personally I think it's simple stupidity/escapism/peer pressure.
 
I fail to see how that will solve anything

The programme stated that crime dropped in Edinburgh by 20% when they introduced the higher pricing. It basically meant that a lot of people decided that it was too expensive to go out and bought from supermarkets instead then drank at home.

As for the age limit, the SNP tried to introduce an age limit of 21 in Scotland for buying alcohol from shops but too many students complained so they were defeated in the parliament vote.
 
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